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OfflineSneezingPenis
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is subjective taxonomy superior to astrology?
    #7425986 - 09/18/07 09:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok, let me just show you guys this.

"INTPs live rich worlds inside their minds, which are full of imagination and excitement. Consequently, they sometimes find the external world pales in comparison. This may result in a lack of motivation to form and maintain relationships. INTPs are not likely to have a very large circle of significant relationships in their lives. They're much more likely to have a few very close relationships, which they hold in great esteem and with great affection. Since the INTP's primary focus and attention is turned inwards, aimed towards seeking clarity from abstract ideas, they are not naturally tuned into others' emotional feelings and needs. They tend to be difficult to get to know well, and hold back parts of themselves until the other person has proven themselves "worthy" of hearing the INTP's thoughts. Holding Knowledge and Brain Power above all else in importance, the INTP will choose to be around people who they consider to be intelligent. Once the INTP has committed themself to a relationship, they tend to be very faithful and loyal, and form affectionate attachments which are pure and straight-forward. The INTP has no interest or understanding of game-playing with regards to relationships. However, if something happens which the INTP considers irreconciliable, they will leave the relationship and not look back."


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"The Taurean's characteristics are solidity, practicality, extreme determination and strength of will - no one will ever drive them, but they will willingly and loyally follow a leader they trust. They are stable, balanced, conservative good, law-abiding citizens and lovers of peace, possessing all the best qualities of the bourgeoisie. As they have a sense of material values and physical possessions, respect for property and a horror of falling into debt, they will do everything in their power to maintain the security of the status quo and be somewhat hostile to change.

Mentally, they are keen-witted and practical more often than intellectual, but apt to become fixed in their opinions through their preference for following accepted and reliable patterns of experience. Their character is generally dependable, steadfast, prudent, just, firm and unshaken in the face of difficulties. Their vices arise from their virtues, going to extremes on occasion,such as sometimes being too slavish to the conventions they admire.

On rare occasions a Taurean may be obstinately and exasperatingly self-righteous, unoriginal, rigid, ultraconservative, argumentative, querulous bores, stuck in a self-centered rut. They may develop a brooding resentment through nursing a series of injuries received and, whether their characters are positive or negative, they need someone to stroke their egos with a frequent, "Well Done!" Most Taureans are not this extreme though.

They are faithful and generous friends with a great capacity for affection, but rarely make friends with anyone outside their social rank, to which they are ordinarily excessively faithful. In the main, they are gentle, even tempered, good natured, modest and slow to anger, disliking quarreling and avoiding ill-feeling. If they are provoked, however, they can explode into violent outbursts of ferocious anger in which they seem to lose all self-control. Equally unexpected are their occasional sallies into humor and exhibitions of fun."


I know this is cross posted, but I want to get a philosophical debate going on this.
Maybe I am wrong here, but I dont any difference between these two seperate quotes. Some of the very people who laugh at astrology will turn around and take these personality tests and go "gee, that is just like me!".


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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: is subjective taxonomy superior to astrology? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7426947 - 09/19/07 05:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The personality tests usually require some sort of input.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: is subjective taxonomy superior to astrology? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7427826 - 09/19/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

One of the problems with personality tests such as these is that it places people into categories. Statistically, this is very inaccurate. A trait like extroversion versus introversion is a wide spectrum, from those who are very socially oriented to those who're recluses. (With almost any trait, most people tend to be in the middle of the spectrum.)

To illustrate my point, here is a simple scale of extroversion vs introversion with four subjects (1-4) on it. The people on the left side are considered extroverts and the people on the right side are considered introverts.

Extroversion|---1-------2--||--3-------4---|Introversion

See the problem? Subject 2 is considered an extrovert and subject 3 is considered an introvert, even though they are very similar. They are both much more similar to eachother than they are to the other subjects in their category.


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Re: is subjective taxonomy superior to astrology? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7431552 - 09/20/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, both are really vague descriptions of a person's attributes which could in some way or another be said about virtually anyone with some ring of truth. The aspects which are incorrect are generally ignored in favor of those which fit--and most statements are so general that they cannot absoutely be said to be incorrect about anyone.

Finding ways to make these things fit with our own ideas of ourselves causes us to think about ourselves, leading to moments of realization, etc... the problem is that we mistake these moments of introspection for an actual realization that we "are" a Leo, or an INTJ, or whatever. Both are invalid, but I think I have to admit I think that birth date is a less correct predictor of personality and behavior than the answers you've given to (admittedly vague) questions about your opinion of yourself.


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