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blazed123
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How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others?
#7425230 - 09/18/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've seen a lenghty process whereby commercial producers of fertilizer utilize fish waste to make pellets. I think it was on the Discovery channel. I was wondering if there was any practical way to make fertilizer at home from fish waste products. I'm thinking along the lines of a liquid fish emulsion product.
I guess while we're at it any other good homemade fertilizer recipies are worth mentioning.
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7425343 - 09/18/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive got a buddy who grows Organic and does everything himself. All kinds of stuff from seaweed extracts and compost tea to his own urine. Some mighty fine smoke in that place.
The Overgrow backup will have lots of info on diy projects. http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm
Does anyone know if this is the best backup available. im surprised it was never backed up with pics and whatnot.
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blazed123
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: Legoulash]
#7425569 - 09/18/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice, there's a section on worm farming. I have a lot of access to fish, so if your friend knows any ways to utilize it I'd love to know.
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7425795 - 09/18/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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just grind up the bones and mix into the soil  also clam and oyster shells are good.
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: cpw1971]
#7425824 - 09/18/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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eh, forget mixing straight into soil if theres any animals around that like fish, like dogs. they will dig all your stuff up to find it.
i usually use a 5gal bucket with a lid, load the guts/cleanings/heads into the bucket until full, add water til it covers mostly everything, and pop that airtight lid on there. stick in a relatively cool place for 3-4 months. it will come out smelling nothing like fish.
im currently doing the same, got quite a few buckets going, they are mainly filled with chicken shit but theres a lot of goat poo, cow poo, and fish chunks in there too, im kinda scared to use our pig shit.  its a bubbling mass right now, ill let them sit through the winter, hopefully the buckets dont explode from expansion 
once its done u strain the solids out and water down the mixture to 50/50 for use, or keep the strained liquid in another airtight bucket and only use what you need, when you need...
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7426015 - 09/18/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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All organic made with bat and bird guano teas
  
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: Magash]
#7426485 - 09/18/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cpw...I actually do use shells in my soil, especially cacti. I use them on top to decorate in addition to adding nutrients.
CAptn...That seems like it would be absolutely unbearable. I actually do know what fish smells like after a few months of rotting. Do you think it would really work with plain fish (no poo)? Doesn't it cause the soil to get moldy?
Magash..Guano is really the best way to go..I was just thinking that fish is available and it would be cool to utilize it.
What do you guys think of drying it, then grinding it? It coould then be mixed in with the soil.
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7427601 - 09/19/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fish doesnt make the soil moldy, even when its fresh. depends on if your using it in potted plants or not though. raw chopped fish, and potted plants might mold. the bucket juice wont make potted plants mold though.
the bucket idea works great, its how the fijians make "fish soup" for their gardens. they usually use it in-company with composting seaweed. my goat/fish/cow bucket is really going off, been bubbling now for a month or two, and it smells like dirt already. slightly different and obviously a bit rotting-like, but like dirt none the less.
the only thing i dont like about fish ferts on plants im going to be eating/smoking is that sometimes a little bit of the fishy flavor seems to make it into the final product.
thats why some people flush their garden with water/molasses in the last few weeks im sure 
if your able to throw a handful or two of completed compost into the bucket, that will help speed up the process.
i personally used some composting cow poo that was 2-3 years old. it was full of microorganisms and sent my brew bubbling after a few days of adding it. im sure regular composted leafs and things would work fine, just need to get some bugs in there to get the job done
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7428382 - 09/19/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magash-those buds look fucking great man
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blazed123
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: Knoa6]
#7428467 - 09/19/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I say mold because I once threw fish guts in my garden and that was the result. Had that not been the case I'd be loading it up on a regular basis. I'd like to try the bucket method. My only concern is where to keep it. If I put it outside, it will freeze over the winter. You think that will be a problem?
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7428716 - 09/19/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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every fall i go down to the lake and i catch 50-100 bluegills/sunfish(shit fish) and i bring them home chop them up in little pieces and throw them in my garden, then i let them sit there for the fall/winter/beginning of spring, then i mix with aged h poo and roto till. every year i get huge plants/veggies
i was taught this by my dad and he was taught by his dad back in the 50's
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: royer]
#7429158 - 09/19/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was waiting for you to get in on this one, Royer. I guess the key with the fish is to decompose during the fall/winter.
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7437235 - 09/21/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fish from the streams are caught by bears and everything they dont eat rots on the soil surface, in the woods. By the time the fish has worked its way into the soil its decomposed. Native Americans planted a fresh fish head with every corn mound. By the time the corn roots got down to the fish, it had decomposed enough to be utilized as fert.
Take a bunch of fish and water and blend into a puree, put that in a container with a fish bubbler for the decomposing micro-organisms to breath. add a few worm turds and a splash of compost tea to inoculate with micro organisms. Leave to age. Thats the stank brown stuff. I m not sure how the make the low N high PK clear stuff. Looks like fish oil IMO. Of course at 5 bucks for a huge bottle I`ll continue to avoid the stank and buy my fert. But I guess if you needed like a 50 gal. drum..
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: ralphroks]
#7437616 - 09/21/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool. Thanks for the info. I was aware of the corn thing. I probably could make a 50 gallon drum...but at this point I'm thinking Royer's method is the least nasty to work with.
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: blazed123]
#7438020 - 09/21/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont think i said this before but after i chop them up and throw them in the garden i do bury them a little to kill the smell a bit and to keep skunks/raccoons away
it takes a nice day of fishing and 30min to an hour to cut them up and throw them in the garden with a lil soil on them,
and.....
boom nice veggies :-)) no nasties:-))
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Re: How can you make homemade fish ferts? ..and others? [Re: royer]
#7438088 - 09/21/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've heard of 'old hands' puttting a fish in the ground for the following years outdoor crop.
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