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Captain Cubensis
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Are fruits from old cakes more potent?
#7424922 - 09/18/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I recently heard a story about a friend of a friends cousin who had been cultivating for several months, purely for himself and his significant other, and at the end of the 3 month cycle, it came time to birth the slowest colonizing, most likely contaminated/dried out BRF cakes.
These cakes were 3 months old minimum, and they did not produce large flushes to say the lest, even after dunking.
Long story shorter, two experienced psilonauts had been viewing the fruits of his labor for three months straight, experimenting with different conditions and dosages.
At the end of the 3-month cycle of harvests, of which there were likely 10-15, these said psilonauts were quite convinced that 5-15 grams wet, of these feeble little beauties produced by ancient cakes, was comparable to 20-50 wet grams of the robust examples produced from fresh cakes.
The robust examples were harvested well before veil tearing, same basic strain during the entire 3-month cycle, or at least thats what my friend's friend's cousin claimed, I of course do not like mushrooms of any kind, nor would I condone any illegal activity whatsoever.
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I don't have a definite answer on this, but I too have heard that longer colonizing subrates may end up with a stronger potency. I don't remember the post (this was about a year ago) but someone had experimented with keeping a colonized jar (unsure of the substrate) for a long period of time. I believe the most potent of the fruits came from the 6-9 month old colonized jar. I believe the strain was pink buffalo, so if you want to search the forums for more info: 1) post was about 1 year ago 2)strain was pink buffalo 3) 6-9 month old substrate
If you do some searches such as... "pink buffalo 6 months" (experiment with the wording) I'm sure you could find the source of information I speak of. As for personal experience I've never kept a jar 100% colonized for more than a few days lol.
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: HappyHardcore]
#7437681 - 09/21/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am, and have been of the opinion that over-incubated spawn is the one thing that can be done by casual home cultivators to increase fruit potency. I've discussed it here and there, but it's not a crusade of mine because I've been attacked for it.
I don't really care though, I know that potency is subjective, but I also know that I don't lose my shit from a single bite of stem. Repeatedly. And only on fruits that were spawned with over-incubated spawn.
The first person I remember discussing it with was, ummm, damn, uhhh, the guy with hitler in the hoopty in his avatar? I think that was it, anyway, first time I read about it, some dood was talking about eating months old cakes. I disregarded it, because eating cakes is gross. But, after making my "discovery", I looked back and saw that it's not unusual at all for people to report increased potency in a number of situations from older cultures.
My personal method is to use WBS bags, hang the corner off a shelf to collect the piss, and let it sit in the dark for 1-3 months, then use it as spawn at a high spawn rate (25-50%). Keep these shrooms in house until you determine potency, unless you want friends ending up in the ER with your shrooms....
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: mycofile]
#7437686 - 09/21/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also meant to add that if anyone has access to analytical services, they should PM me. Honestly though I'm amazed that some European hasn't used it for a masters thesis yet...
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: mycofile]
#7438085 - 09/21/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've also noticed that over-incubated spawn works very well. Get used to being attacked for stepping outside some folks comfort zone. RR
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7451006 - 09/25/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps the culture produces certain chemicals during the incubation, that is converted into actives during fruiting. Thus longer incubation, more chems to be converted?
Maybe it also just gives it a good time to get a hold of nutrients up from the substrate, I have heard that it gathers all nutrients, then flushes. So maybe just more time to gather more nutrients for more potency?
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: aspore]
#7452016 - 09/25/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's simply lower water content in old substrate resulting in higher density fruits. That is if there is even any truth at all to it.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: fastfred]
#7452231 - 09/25/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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its always hard to say something is one way or another and that goes for everything. but i can tell you poo and straw is stronger than pf cakes . and if you do it outside its almost ten times as strong but this is all opinion from personal experience. but i don't think ive even come close to answering ur question so i will shut up now:)
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#7478871 - 10/02/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, my friend can confirm that there is indeed something to this.
He recently told me that he birthed some BRF cakes that were 6 months old, with many invitro primos trying to escape.
Water content is not a factor, cause my friend dunks every cake after birth, and every harvest.
He told me that he and a friend shared 22 grams wet, of mature, but small, pre-veil tearing fruits.
Both my friend and his companion compared the effects to 4-5 dry grams, with very subtle visuals, and intense body buzz...
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I recently fruited a cake a friend gave to me, it had been forgoten under his bed for about 3 months. The TINY fruits that were produced were actually quite potent in my opinion.
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: Funkatron9000]
#7493394 - 10/07/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I, too, have had good luck with over-incubated spawn. Maybe it's coincidence, but this mycelium was in a forgotten jar for about too months, transferred via liquid culture, and now is the most dominant mycelium I've ever worked with (not speaking from much personal experience here). It's fun, nonetheless.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: Chi Ro]
#7494292 - 10/07/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder how this applies to senescence. If old myc is believed to produce stronger than average fruits, yet also believed to decrease potency over time, then where is the sweet spot?
Like the member above stated, it is surprising no European has studied this, or American for that matter.
Surely there must be an ideal birth time, which appears to be more than just a few days after 100% colonization.
If someone could figure that our, they would be a hero to many!
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Funkatron9000
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Agreed.
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fastfred
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Quote:
Captain Cubensis said: Surely there must be an ideal birth time, which appears to be more than just a few days after 100% colonization.
If someone could figure that our, they would be a hero to many!
By integrating parametric equations and using time-regression analysis I have determined that the exact optimal birth time is 126 hours and 32 minutes.
Having solved this problem and being a hero to many, everybody can feel free to give me 5 shroom ratings to show their appreciation.
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: fastfred]
#7495580 - 10/07/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
fastfred said:
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Captain Cubensis said: Surely there must be an ideal birth time, which appears to be more than just a few days after 100% colonization.
If someone could figure that our, they would be a hero to many!
By integrating parametric equations and using time-regression analysis I have determined that the exact optimal birth time is 126 hours and 32 minutes.
Having solved this problem and being a hero to many, everybody can feel free to give me 5 shroom ratings to show their appreciation.
-FF
lol
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: Funkatron9000]
#7504122 - 10/10/07 02:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've heard this as well, and recall reading an old study where GC/MS was performed on different flushes of the same mycelium, and in almost every case the last flushes were the most potent.
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: Agave]
#7507555 - 10/11/07 12:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think your recollection is flawed. The studies that I think you are referring to had to do with the psilocin/psilocybin ratio. I do recall one other study which did find a slight variation between flushes, but nothing significant. Intraflush variation in potency is greater than average interflush variation.
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: fastfred]
#7547065 - 10/22/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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meh.
I'm more interested in a fast, rhizomorphic, compact-fruit specimen than "high potency".
simple workaround for "low potency" shrooms: eat more. Not that I've ever had a "low potency" batch...they all seem to work.
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Re: Are fruits from old cakes more potent? [Re: MotorCityMadman]
#7549963 - 10/23/07 05:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting topic, kinda ties into some people asking if they can eat there cakes before fruiting, which is pointless, but once the mycelium has matured and been through a few flushes, its possible to make tea from the myc since it contains more actives but not before it matures.
I may be sensitive to shrooms, but i find 18 grams to be plenty strong, really strong visuals and body buzz, level 3 atleast for me. And that was of a pf tek cake.
I think i may give this ago, maybe we should all put away 1 pf cake and let it incubate a few months passed 100% and report back. Dont take shrooms for a month, take a normal birthed cake dose of shrooms, leave it then try the "forgoten" cake and dose the same amount.
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