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    #7424269 - 09/18/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7424323 - 09/18/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Do 50/50 vermiculite and peat moss for your casing substrate. Read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek

For the fc, sounds like you'll need a heat source. You should build a TiT or a heatbomb. For the TiT (tub in tub), get two of the same tubs so they fit together well. The bottom tub will hold water and a fish tank water heater. A 50 watt heater is plenty. The other tub sits on top of the water, so it's heated by the water source below. A heatbomb is something like a 2 liter jug full of water with a water heater mounted in the end. This "heatbomb" is then placed inside a chamber between your cakes/casings to provide heat. But before you do all this, why not consider a space heater for the room?

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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: fkerrx]
    #7424366 - 09/18/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks. I've considered a space heater but I have to grow in my walk in closet for privacy purposes, and the fact that my girlfriend painted psychedelic art like everywhere. I think it could be a fire hazard. I like the idea of the tub in tub method. So all I need for that, besides the tubs, is a fish heater? Not some sort of bubbling device? Any suggestions on what kind specifically, not brand, I just dont want to buy one at the store that turns out to break from using it like this.

The heatbomb would work well in an incubator correct?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7424581 - 09/18/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Besides the tubs you'll need a submersible aquarium water heater and something (I used hot glue, silicone would work great) to glue the water heater mounting brackets to the bottom of your tub. It is important that your submersible water heater is not floating on the surface, it could crack! Here's a link to give you an idea what a submersible water heater is: http://www.google.com/products?q=heater+50+submersible&btnG=Search&show=dd

If you're going to use the heatbomb, place the heatbomb in a tub with your cakes/casings. Your might as well make a TiT if you're purchasing a heater, though.

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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: fkerrx]
    #7424838 - 09/18/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I found this one after searching around this site.

http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18534/si1380322/cl0/aquariumsystemsvisitherm100wattheater

Its submersible, 100watt, thermostat so it keeps at the set temp. I get how to use the fish heater for incubation I think. Do I have to cover the jars or anything? I think im going to use this tek: http://www.shroomery.org/8407/Aliens-Incubator for the incubating, and using that I COULD also use that as a fruiting chamber right?

I just dont know how, is it the same as colonizing but at a lower temp (shocking) and I get a tub identical to the first tub and just place it on? And there will be humidity in the second tub because of that? Do I use perlite too?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7424989 - 09/18/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Si, you can use your TiT as the incubator and an FC. Most people don't use the TiT as an FC because their rooms are already warm enough to support fruiting, but you'll need some type of incubation because your room is too cold. When you're ready to fruit your cakes/casings, drop the temp on your TiT by 10 degrees & fill the bottom of your top tub with wet perlite. The perlite should be soaked and drained with a strainer before filling your top tub with it. The perlite provides humidity for fruiting. Make your perlite layer 4" deep if you have the room. Re-hydrate your perlite about once a month.

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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: fkerrx]
    #7428143 - 09/19/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome! So there's no need for any air hoses, bubbling devices, filters, etc?

Do I put any holes ANYWHERE in the setup? For the incubator or fruiting chamber?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7429006 - 09/19/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You could use a humidifier but most people start out with a tub that has 25~ 1/4 inch holes in all six sides and four inches of moist perlite, with occasional misting and fanning your all set.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: pazzy]
    #7431393 - 09/20/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Holes in the 2nd tub you mean?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7431476 - 09/20/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

TiT sounds like your best bet for temp regulation, as said above.

I suggest lining your aluminum pan with something, or using plastic, just for a tip. My mycelium ate through my disposable roast pans in less than two weeks. Aluminum is a reactive metal, so it degrades pretty easily I guess... anyway I'm not pleased by the thought of consuming it. :smile:


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7432463 - 09/20/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the tip! I didnt know mycelium was that strong!

I dont get how the humidity and heat from the water in the 1st tub get to the 2nd tub. Do I need holes around the sides about mid-ways up on my 2nd tub? Or is it simple just heating the bottom of the 2nd tub? Thats pretty much where Im stuck.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7432972 - 09/20/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, i'll try and answer this for you. For the incubator, if you're doing the TiT, the bottom tub has the aquarium heater (glued/fastened down) to the bottom of it. You might want to put some spacers in the bottom tub as well for the top tub to sit on so it won't crush or damage the heater. Then put your second tub in the first one. Follow this link for pictures of the set up
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek#a5

You don't need humidity inside the incubator. That's for the FC. Also, the foil/plastic wrap over your cased substrate should keep the humidity up in the container while it's incubating. The moisture from the casing layer takes care of this. some have also suggested getting some kind of tie downs or zip ties to secure the two tubs together. Once the water is added to the bottom tub, the top tub is going to float. The ties will keep the top tub from floating.

Now for the FC. If you want to use the top tub of your TiT for a FC that's completely fine. You want to drill some holes in the FC in all six sides. You don't want to go overboard. Maybe 25 holes evenly space on the two long side, top, and bottom. The two smaller sides you can put less holes. All holes should be 1/4". Next put enough perlite into the bottom of the container to make it about 4" deep. The perlite should be well rinsed and drained. The perlite in the tub will keep the humidity up and the holes will allow for FAE. The perlite should keep the humidity up in the upper 90's. Mine is at 99% right now. If the humidity starts to drop, open the FC and spray the sides of the FC and then spray some into the air above the cakes. Rehydrate the perlite once a month. You can keep the FC in the bottom tub if you want (like it was while incubating). Except now the top tub is being used as a FC. The heater will still remain in the bottom tub. That will help you with your heat problem and the perlite in the top tub will take care of the humidity. Spray and fan your FC 3 times a day. Other than that, it's very easy. Just make sure you read, read, read, and when you're tired of reading read some more to make sure you have all of this down. Hope this helps!


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: sixletterscurvy]
    #7432988 - 09/20/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Also, go to Youtube and search for RR's videos. Do a search for "Let's Grow Mushrooms". There is a four part series. In one of them, he shows how he builds his shotgun terrarium (holes in all six sides). You may not want to put as many holes as he did. But it shows you exactly how to do everything. These videos are the actual footage from his 2dvd set. Good luck. One more thing, the holes in your FC should be all over it, not just half way up the tub.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber and Casing Help [Re: juris1]
    #7433174 - 09/20/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That pretty much sums up my questions. I appreciate it guys. If I have anymore questions I'll use this post, otherwise I'll take some pics and post my first flushes.

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