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How controlled are we by Objective reality.
#7423719 - 09/18/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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One could sit still in silence all day and not worry one bit about objective reality.
Imagine meditation everyday for like 12 hours a day. Meditation and fasting for a week.
How will one become enlightened by the lack of food and lack of objective reality.
Can this be done? I'm sure it can but what do you think we'd get out of it
We could write a book with the dialogue that enters our minds and how we control our thoughts.
So by leaving objects behind, like computers, tv, books, and start living subjectively by exploring your mind and thoughts.
What are your views on meditation? Would one accomplish something by meditating like 12 hours a day and fasting?
What do you think?
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
#7423742 - 09/18/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sure it can
My guess is this is not a true statement unless you have experienced this yourself.
I think meditating 12 hours a day could defeat the experience of being alive.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7423783 - 09/18/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a chance to actually get to know yourself. Like having a conversation with a person, but you do it alone, or meditate with a friend. Talk about your thoughts and where you think they are coming from? A movie you recently watched, a book you just read and so on and so forth.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
#7423798 - 09/18/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I meditate for 30 minutes a day. I think that may be enough for now. No one to my knowledge has ever become enlightened by meditation. Same for knowing oneself. Meditation would be only one piece of the puzzle.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7423810 - 09/18/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's like laying in the sun to get a tan, but you sit in silence to figure out things, make sense of things, take a break from what you are doing and relax and let your thoughts flow.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
#7423822 - 09/18/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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One could sit still in silence all day and not worry one bit about objective reality.
Objective reality would intrude in mere minutes as you struggled to breath.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
#7423836 - 09/18/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Droz said: It's like laying in the sun to get a tan, but you sit in silence to figure out things, make sense of things, take a break from what you are doing and relax and let your thoughts flow.
I'll take the tan. 
By the way I know what meditation is. Like I said I do some. Just no 12 hours a day. My bladder couldn't take it.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
#7423981 - 09/18/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use meditation mostly to relax and hopefully reach that point where I get a flood of seratonin AKA joy. It is interesting the insights I get while I meditate but they don't really last, I just keep returning to my breath. I couldn't do 12 hours, the longest I've gone is two hours and I didn't seem to get anywhere new after the first hour. I'm going to go meditate by the ravine now, how lucky I am to have a forest in my backyard
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7424205 - 09/18/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does anybody know about Shri Shivabalayagoi Maharaj? Apparently he spent 12 years of his life sitting 23 hours every day in seated meditation, coming out of it for one hour to drink a glass of milk. It sounds like fiction to me but there are people who claim to have witnessed him sitting in meditation for days at a time.
I am new to meditation and sit 20-60 minutes a day.
I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say: 'Your level of consciousness is not measured by how long you can sit with your eyes closed.' It is measured by how conscious you can remain in times of great change.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Lion]
#7424213 - 09/18/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say: 'Your level of consciousness is not measured by how long you can sit with your eyes closed.' It is measured by how conscious you can remain in times of great change.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424215 - 09/18/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I like what Eckhart Tolle has to say: 'Your level of consciousness is not measured by how long you can sit with your eyes closed.' It is measured by how conscious you can remain in times of great change.
...or while on line at the supermarket.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424225 - 09/18/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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True Meditation by Adyashanti is an OUTSTANDING guided medation series, imo.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Middleman]
#7424230 - 09/18/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like False Meditation by Al Neuman.
Edited by Icelander (09/18/07 03:31 PM)
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424233 - 09/18/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha, no really it's GOOD.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Lion]
#7424260 - 09/18/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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bug said: Does anybody know about Shri Shivabalayagoi Maharaj? Apparently he spent 12 years of his life sitting 23 hours every day in seated meditation, coming out of it for one hour to drink a glass of milk. It sounds like fiction to me but there are people who claim to have witnessed him sitting in meditation for days at a time.
If a person could watch another sit in meditation for 23 hours; then I would consider the watcher to be a Master.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Lion]
#7424283 - 09/18/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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'Your level of consciousness is not measured by how long you can sit with your eyes closed.' It is measured by how conscious you can remain in times of great change.
This should be the P&S motto.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7424286 - 09/18/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can watch TV for 23 hours.:D I think I am enlightened.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424302 - 09/18/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually that's harder than it sounds. By the 12th hour most people would feel the need to curl up into the fetal position and cry because of all the cool things they don't own.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Lion]
#7424307 - 09/18/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I already own all the cool things. Now I just look at tits.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Lion]
#7424311 - 09/18/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I lust after kitchen slicers & dicers and grills and knives and...
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424315 - 09/18/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Calcium deficiency?
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7424373 - 09/18/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's it Veritas.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424397 - 09/18/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Yeah, that's it Veritas.
Dang Ice, you don't need to type out what you're saying IRL in real time. This is a family site.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Lion]
#7424405 - 09/18/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, like the Addams family.   
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
#7424810 - 09/18/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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One could sit still in silence all day and not worry one bit about objective reality.
That's true, one could do that.
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Imagine meditation everyday for like 12 hours a day. Meditation and fasting for a week.
How will one become enlightened by the lack of food and lack of objective reality.
Can this be done? I'm sure it can but what do you think we'd get out of it
Meditation isn't a lack of objective reality. What you describe sounds like a form of escapism
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What are your views on meditation? Would one accomplish something by meditating like 12 hours a day and fasting?
Intelligent meditation means total awareness. Awareness of your mind: your thoughts, your emotions, your reactions, your ideas, your ideals, your desires and urges, etc. This requires a great deal of patience, loving-kindness, courage, and discipline. And what do you get out of true, intelligent meditation? Nothing. You get nothing you didn't already have.
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Re: How controlled are we by Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
#7424833 - 09/18/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think meditating 12 hours a day could defeat the experience of being alive
Ultimately, of course, life is just experience, and there is no better or worse experience or way of experiencing.
Sitting 12 hours per day in meditation doesn't sound like living to you, because it's not your life, nor is it mine. But it may be for some people, and for those people, all I can say is damn, that's impressive!
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No one to my knowledge has ever become enlightened by meditation.
Could you elaborate on this statement? What do you mean by "enlightened"? And do you mean that you don't know anyone personally, or that you've never heard of anyone, ever, becoming enlightened by meditation?
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