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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: enygma]
    #7424877 - 09/18/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i get my hands on girls much easier than on drugs so drugs.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: enygma]
    #7424927 - 09/18/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:
Well I actually believe I've made up my mind. I just got home from work and I've been thinking hard about it all day and I feel very clear in my decision which is to give up drugs.

Maybe I didn't explain in my original post clearly enough but some of you seem to have missed the point that we are not together. She has absolutely no obligation to me. She just entered back into my life a few weeks ago, and we are currently just friends. She is fine with being friends with me, and she has no qualms with me doing drugs as her friend. I would normally agree that I should not change who I am, but like a few have said I have gained a lot from psychedelics and although I'm sure there is more I can gain, there is no more I feel I need to gain. I have never been truly happy with who I was as a person until these past few months. If I were to quit now forever I think I would be truly content with what I have gotten out of it.

So like I was saying, as she has no obligation towards me at all. I don't feel I should have any reason to expect her to change for me. I'm the one who wants to be with her after all, so the only thing I can do is control my actions and if quiting drugs will help me get closer to her then I feel that is the best choice for me. Drugs do not define who I am, I am me whether I do drugs or not. I also meditate daily so I feel that I am not at a total loss here, I can always rely on that as well.

Although I've pretty much made up my mind on this matter I would still like to hear any opinions that feel my logic is flawed here, and I will try and listen with an open mind. As well, thank you to all of you who have given your thoughts so far.




you're setting up a VERY dangerous power dynamic here. basically you're forming this entire fucking concept of a relationship upon the idea that she is better than you and a prize to be won. a healthy and lasting relationship cannot begin in this manner. you're setting yourself up for a dynamic that revolves around her doling out her "love" (it won't really be love) contingent upon you fulfilling various tasks. a healthy relationship needs to be a process of give and take equally in all respects.




As sad as what enygma says here. It really does sound like the real deal........lol. Im not going to say whether anyone here is right or wrong.

Its all about sharing, and the virtues of selfishness.

Stay selfish and you can possibly get what you want, the drugs or the girl.
Nobody here can tell you what selfish action is better.
When you are for some reason forced to make such a choice between two totally different and unrelated things, you need to weigh the benefits of each.
Selfishness is not a bad thing, but only to a point.

You can read into that all you want. Is there hidden meaning in that. Yes there is. Meaning that reflects enygma's post and others.

Sorry to get all "ayn rand" on your ass. Which is ironic because she didnt believe in taking drugs........lol


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: krypto2000]
    #7425665 - 09/18/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you should turn this thread into a poll


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: redpoppy]
    #7425752 - 09/18/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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redpoppy said:
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krypto2000 said:
I would have to say I agree with your post completely. I connect with her on almost every other level besides drug use. Ideally yes it would be best to maybe wait for someone who I can agree with on everything, but I think that is a rare occurance and I would be more than happy to be with this girl.

I don't think she likes me at all. She has said as much yesterday when I asked her, but she has loved me before so I feel that any chance of it returning is worth it in my mind, I can always go back to drugs if things do not work out.

I see it as I have a choice of drugs or her, and it's up to me to decide which has a stronger value in my life. Regardless as to what I choose I will not be changing who I am, just the things that surround me as neither of these define me as a person. My values and ideals will remain untouched. I feel maybe that better conveys my original meaning but if not then maybe you're right and my logic is flawed?




In that case I agree with your wanting to be with here if you gel on EVERYTHING except drugs.

I imagine about six or seven years ago I could have been in such a place. I kinda just gave up experimenting with drugs but it all came back to me. Now I'm lucky enough to have drugs and what I consider a soulmate who happens to be quite fit :tongue: But if i had to give up drugs for him I'd do it in a ... well maybe not in a second... but perhaps like three seconds.

but if i were single now and some random guy came along and said "its teh drugs or me" i'd be all "hell no! I love lucy!" :wink:

But the only problem thats left is that this girl isn't into you...

However there's loads of successful relationships which are born of such situations.
:smile:

Go get her! heh heh. As I said before, good luck!

And not meaning to soudn EXTREMELY cheesy love is a drug :puke:  that can be teh most beneficial. HOwever it can also be teh most damaging. Sorry that sounded disgustingly cliched and crappy but ... yeah.. sorry.




Thanks for the support and words of encouragement, you've been a big help :smile:

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you're setting up a VERY dangerous power dynamic here.  basically you're forming this entire fucking concept of a relationship upon the idea that she is better than you and a prize to be won.  a healthy and lasting relationship cannot begin in this manner.  you're setting yourself up for a dynamic that revolves around her doling out her "love" (it won't really be love) contingent upon you fulfilling various tasks.  a healthy relationship needs to be a process of give and take equally in all respects.




I in no way view her as better than me, not by any means. I love who I am and in no way look down on myself. She is not a controlling person and this is not a normal thing. She does not like drugs and that is it, it stops there. She has never experimented with drugs and she knows nothing about them at all. She just has the notion that 'drugs are bad' and even though she admits she has no reason for thinking that she can't help but feel that way. As I said earlier I'm sure this is just due to social conditioning, and maybe I can convince her otherwise in the future, but for now that is how she feels and there is nothing I can do to change her mind. So it's merely a question of whether I can accept that about her and leave drugs behind or if they are more important in my life, and I have chosen the former.

Sorry that this thread has been going on so long, I feel like I'm just repeating myself now. Thank you guys again for all of your input, I got a lot more responses than I had expected, this is a very helpful community.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: elbisivni]
    #7425774 - 09/18/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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elbisivni said:
you should turn this thread into a poll




haha, I should have done that from the beginning, that's a good idea.
Drugs or the Girl?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (09/18/07 09:04 PM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: krypto2000]
    #7425791 - 09/18/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you forgot depends!



which of course is what pretty much everyone will choose..maybe you can make the the question more specific, or make more specific choices or something..


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: elbisivni]
    #7425981 - 09/18/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

MGM, as much as I agree with your overall attitude, that's a bad argument. You don't need to be 21 to buy an empty beer bottle, or a bottle opener. It's the substance that matters. Beyond that, the law hardly reflects the dangers and possible benefits of any given substance.

Back to the point though, I'd definitely take drugs alone over a girl that can't handle me taking drugs. I wouldn't be interested in a closed minded bitch in the first place, though.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: krypto2000]
    #7426164 - 09/18/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:

I in no way view her as better than me, not by any means. I love who I am and in no way look down on myself. She is not a controlling person and this is not a normal thing. She does not like drugs and that is it, it stops there. She has never experimented with drugs and she knows nothing about them at all. She just has the notion that 'drugs are bad' and even though she admits she has no reason for thinking that she can't help but feel that way. As I said earlier I'm sure this is just due to social conditioning, and maybe I can convince her otherwise in the future, but for now that is how she feels and there is nothing I can do to change her mind. So it's merely a question of whether I can accept that about her and leave drugs behind or if they are more important in my life, and I have chosen the former.





i'm not necessarily saying that you feel that she's better than you. However, by doing this sort of thing you're creating a dynamic in which this hierarchy is implicit.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: enygma]
    #7426198 - 09/18/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

also, quick question, how old are you two?


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: enygma]
    #7426239 - 09/18/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Meh. Simple utilitarian thinking. My weed has never screamed at me for 45 minutes because I was 5 minutes late home from work, then collapsed crying into my lap. My mushrooms never get drunk and make out with some teenager at a party while I'm in the next room. My LSD never tells me that, while it still loves me, it's moving out and doesn't want to talk to me for a while.

I've had some bad times on drugs, but nothing like the bad times I've had with women. If you're going on the hunt for a woman who's resistant in the first place, fuck doing it sober. It's going to be nerve wracker and a hard fought battle, and even if you win, the tension will be a permanant feature, one that you'll have to deal with sober.

What's your social situation like? College? High School? Just keep an eye out for a cute hippie chick who's into that shit, and explore mind space with her. And if things don't work out with her, the girl you're after now will know how well you treat women, and that drugs aren't ruining anything for you.

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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: crumblebum]
    #7426880 - 09/19/07 03:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

^^^

but that's the diffrence between "women" and "THE woman"

the real woman will set you free beyond your current capabilites of realisation IMO. A bit like a mind expanding drug.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: redpoppy]
    #7426932 - 09/19/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

a) drugs are easier to get than a good mate
-----(so why opt for drugs, you can always crash and burn out onto a bed of drugs, but can't bet on finding a good mate)
b) rational arguments are essentially artificial.
-----(rationality is arbitrary, facts are like empty shells)


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: enygma]
    #7427138 - 09/19/07 07:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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enygma said:

i'm not necessarily saying that you feel that she's better than you. However, by doing this sort of thing you're creating a dynamic in which this hierarchy is implicit.




I can see your point there and that may be true, I will have to be careful there. One thing though is that we have had a strong relationship in the past and that dynamic was not part of it so I feel that is less of a worry than starting a new one, but you're right it may still be an issue.

I'm 20 and she is 19. We're both currently going to different colleges and live at home, but we live very close to each other.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: krypto2000]
    #7427177 - 09/19/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

too young to worry
really
follow your hearts
enjoy the time together
nice to have magic in the world.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7430746 - 09/20/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Me and my co-worker used to have this conversation all the time and we both came to the conclusion that there is no right answer. Drugs make you feel good but sometimes a mate is something you need in life. It just all depends what your situation is. If I had it my way I would have both! :smile:


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: redpoppy]
    #11175481 - 10/03/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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redpoppy said:
^^^

but that's the diffrence between "women" and "THE woman"

the real woman will set you free beyond your current capabilites of realisation IMO. A bit like a mind expanding drug.




You know, I realize that this is an old thread but I just had to say that redpoppy, that ^ was one of the most powerful statements I have read all day. Powerful man, just powerful


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #11175491 - 10/03/09 02:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
a) drugs are easier to get than a good mate
-----(so why opt for drugs, you can always crash and burn out onto a bed of drugs, but can't bet on finding a good mate)
b) rational arguments are essentially artificial.
-----(rationality is arbitrary, facts are like empty shells)




^ All the more reason to be naturally pickier or subconsciously observant with the types of girls/women and vice versa (guys/men) one seeks right?


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: skippyluvs]
    #11175617 - 10/03/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Im glad you brought up this old thread. this is the exact situation i am in now and i really feel helpless on this one. On one hand im falling madly in love with this girl, but she hates all drugs. On the other hand I love weed and psychedelics.

I dont think i would be able to convince her to let me keep using drugs. I FEEL FUCKING TRAPPED and it really sucks! This girl is the most amazing, beautiful, intelligent girl ive ever been with in my life and she has her shit together. Her family is awesome. She rides dirtbikes like I do. The love-making is the best ive had. She is literally the girl of my dreams minus the drug part(lol).

THIS BLOWS!!!!!


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: Dudeyourgone]
    #11175941 - 10/03/09 04:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The right girl will make you feel the same way as the drugs.
Or maybe it's vice versa, but I prefer it ^ that way.


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Re: Drugs or a girl, which would you choose? [Re: Dudeyourgone]
    #11176064 - 10/03/09 04:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Im glad you brought up this old thread. this is the exact situation i am in now and i really feel helpless on this one. On one hand im falling madly in love with this girl, but she hates all drugs. On the other hand I love weed and psychedelics.

I dont think i would be able to convince her to let me keep using drugs. I FEEL FUCKING TRAPPED and it really sucks! This girl is the most amazing, beautiful, intelligent girl ive ever been with in my life and she has her shit together. Her family is awesome. She rides dirtbikes like I do. The love-making is the best ive had. She is literally the girl of my dreams minus the drug part(lol).

THIS BLOWS!!!!!




Have you discussed drugs with her?
Or does she just dismiss it upon hearing the word.

If it is important to you and you would do drugs for the rest of your life if you could, then you should really seriously tell her why you like it and see if she would learn how to accept them.

But if she is that adamant then it seems like she has had some media programming =/

The 2nd post in this thread is the truest words ive read so far.
Dont give up a part of who you are to please someone else.
Instead try to open their mind and have them accept you for who you are.


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