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Giant fruits off of rye
    #7421335 - 09/17/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Whereas I've done poo before, but this is odd. These things just won't quit. Of course, it's rye, so they may not have a high psychoactive content, but it's just bizarre.

Anyone with similar experiences or is this just an anomaly?


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7421382 - 09/17/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: Psychoslut]
    #7421523 - 09/17/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course, it's rye, so they may not have a high psychoactive content, but it's just bizarre.




May not have a high psychoactive content? What's all that about


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: HappyHardcore]
    #7421540 - 09/17/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

have you tracked you biological efficiancy? you're not going to see much difference between poo grown and rye grown mushies for potency. the hpoo will be slightly higher


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7421589 - 09/17/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Here's how I judge my potency... My first grow was BRF cakes spawned to poo. I cased them with a simple 50/50 coir verm into several casings. They came out to decent sizes and the potency was pretty good. My second grow (or should I say grow attempt rather), was plain rye in Q jars. I crumbled the rye into a casing, cased it with the same casing (50/50 coir verm), and out of 5 casings I ended up with 4.8 grams dry... The myc was weak looking the whole time, casings did terrible, ect ect. I figured since I didnt spawn to anything at all and the growth process of them was so terrible that the potency wouldnt be all that great, BUT... They were the most potent shrooms I've ever had! 2.4gs of this rye was equal to 4gs of brf spawned to poo, no exaggeration. Ever since then I've seen the true power of rye. And this, quoted from Agar...

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If you want to spend the money.
The ultimate seed grain is RYE GRAIN, as spawn.
But, for some odd reason, the feed stores around my new place.
Only stock it, in the spring." - Agar

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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: HappyHardcore]
    #7421664 - 09/17/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

poop makes em bigger and more potent


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: HappyHardcore]
    #7421693 - 09/17/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well BE is dry mass of substrate compared against total harvested mass(not dried) cubesis have plenty of reports of 300% be. so 1lb of hpoo should give you 3 lbs of wet shrooms if you do everything right. that's how you would compare efficiency of rye against spawned hpoo.

there are way too many factors that go into ingestion to really get a figure like 2.4 g of one being equal to 4g of another. temp of drying, time stored, type of foods you ate before, how much food you had in your stomach, amount of time since last trip, how much was ingested in last trip. it will all effect how high you'll get.


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: Psychoslut]
    #7421834 - 09/17/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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No digi cam at present. 

This question has nagged at me for awhile now--I'm guessing poo is best, but fucking around with pasteurization the last few times I've tried have led to lots of green fagaliciousness. 

The rye seemed to go fine, though I can't say I'll get a third flush.  And the pinning density was absolute shit. 

But, we all sort of got this kicked-off with BRF, and the fruits from that seemed to make people happy. 

So fucked if I know.  :shrug:  I just always thought poo was far better than other things.  Then again, Magash has written much about the use of rye. 

Someone needs to do a chemical analysis over a series of grows with different substrates and give us some direction.  :penis:


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7421842 - 09/17/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Right, all those factors are something to consider, but tripping off the grow of brf flush after flush and the potency remaining steady, the total effect of the rye shrooms were undoubtedly more potent in all regards. It was the exact same for my buddy that's been with me on many wondrous and adventurous occasions, and it too surprised the hell out of him.

I can assure you that there were no outlandish circumstances that would have enhanced our trip more than the brf.

1)Drying temps were always constant and it was always less than a week before they were eaten.

2)I've experimented with eating before hand, eating with them, not eating before tripping ect. I even tried them with cranberry juice one time, and squeezed lemons&limes the next, (theory that the acidity in the juices will activate the psychoactives quicker giving a stronger trip, but for not as long) but using the lemon/lime never really showed any difference :/ lol.

The difference between 2.4g and 4g is actually a pretty decent gap in levels and the fact that the BRF grow went very well, nothing wrong, great results comparing to another grow that was skeptical throughout all stages of growth, and each casing only had 1 flush each producing 2 shrooms at the most. One of the casings never actually fruited anything at all :frown: and the difference between the potencies were considerable.

Well, like always, I'm speaking of my own experiences and I never like to lie just to enhance the importance of a point/topic. It's always interesting to see what people will post and what responses will come :smile:


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: HappyHardcore]
    #7421866 - 09/17/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Right, all those factors are something to consider, but tripping off the grow of brf flush after flush and the potency remaining steady, the total effect of the rye shrooms were undoubtedly more potent in all regards. It was the exact same for my buddy that's been with me on many wondrous and adventurous occasions, and it too surprised the hell out of him.

I can assure you that there were no outlandish circumstances that would have enhanced our trip more than the brf.

1)Drying temps were always constant and it was always less than a week before they were eaten.

2)I've experimented with eating before hand, eating with them, not eating before tripping ect. I even tried them with cranberry juice one time, and squeezed lemons&limes the next, (theory that the acidity in the juices will activate the psychoactives quicker giving a stronger trip, but for not as long) but using the lemon/lime never really showed any difference :/ lol.

The difference between 2.4g and 4g is actually a pretty decent gap in levels and the fact that the BRF grow went very well, nothing wrong, great results comparing to another grow that was skeptical throughout all stages of growth, and each casing only had 1 flush each producing 2 shrooms at the most. One of the casings never actually fruited anything at all :frown: and the difference between the potencies were considerable.

Well, like always, I'm speaking of my own experiences and I never like to lie just to enhance the importance of a point/topic. It's always interesting to see what people will post and what responses will come :smile:




Pretty sure drying temps don't fuck with anything.  Say, under 110F, give them a day or two, and there should be no problem at all.  Of course, you don't want to bake them at 400F.  :wink:


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7422024 - 09/17/07 11:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I do mine at 115f. the extr 5 degrees dries em a lot faster.


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7422250 - 09/18/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

150f for me always turns out fine...


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7428061 - 09/19/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Just to update--picked the fruits yesterday.  The largest was nearly a foot long.  Fucking largest thing I've seen from any of my attempts.  :smile2:  But, like I said, the pinsets were just horrible.


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7428107 - 09/19/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7428114 - 09/19/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

very nice bobo, too bad you don't have a cam to use and the pinset sucked, but at least foot long fruits sound like good night...


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: wutang]
    #7428980 - 09/19/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, cosmic is right--no cam as of yet.  :sad:  Should have one soon.  :smile2:

Still wondering about potency.  Still wondering if I should put some bloodmeal into the soaking water of the grain if I won't use poo.  I'm just sick of pasteurizing and getting green all over.  I guess I'm retarded.  Made it work a couple of times, but, overall, I'm a horrible poo-pasteurizer/incubator.  :lol:  Rye is easier as it's fully colonized and thus defends itself from contams. 

Hell--I'll go with magash and take the extra gram (if there is a loss of potency) for an easy crumble -n- case, in a dose if it just produces. 

Moreover, I am in a place that apparently has endemic mold problems.  Don't think I'll be doing shit for awhile.  :sad:

Anyway, these fruits were HUGE.  Grown off of poo before and I've gotten a much better pinset, but fruits that were 4 inches all around. 

I don't have a perfect set-up, as I'm more of a now-and-again cultivator.  Like, I can't set the Oxford Dictionary on my fruiting pinset, if you understand what I mean.  :smirk: 

I was just surprised. 

I suppose it will all get mixed in and I'll go a gram or half a gram higher than usual and see what happens.  :sun:


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7429252 - 09/19/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i dont know...i read somewhere RR said bloodmeal doesnt do much..


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7429281 - 09/19/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

if poo's a mess for you try coir... just pop a brick in the cooler and heat the directed amount of water to 180 pour it in the cooler with the brick and come back after it cools (or vent it in a clean room anytime after two hours stirring frequently to bring the heat out of the bottom)... viola...

instead of mixing your spawn with the bulk subs(if thats how you do it), try layering it (ie - layer of substrate layer of spawn layer of substrate etc..). I recently switched and my bulk substrates colonize almost twice as fast as they used to when i mixed the spawn in.

i usually add spent coffee grinds and some other stuff, but coir works great as a bulk sub by itself and is far less messy than poo.

just a suggestion...


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7429356 - 09/19/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've found absolutely no correlation between substrate and potency. If the substrate can support the flush, it can support potency as well. Potency is genetic, thus with multispore inoculation, you'll get a different substrain every time, and that's why potency varies project to project. It's the substrain, not the substrate.

Cased rye can do great. I prefer to spawn to manure, but you can get to your flush sooner by simply casing your rye. Perhaps you forgot to patch? That would lead to only a few mushrooms, but they'd be monsters. I prefer lots of small fruits myself.
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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7430277 - 09/19/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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if poo's a mess for you try coir... just pop a brick in the cooler and heat the directed amount of water to 180 pour it in the cooler with the brick and come back after it cools (or vent it in a clean room anytime after two hours stirring frequently to bring the heat out of the bottom)... viola...

instead of mixing your spawn with the bulk subs(if thats how you do it), try layering it (ie - layer of substrate layer of spawn layer of substrate etc..). I recently switched and my bulk substrates colonize almost twice as fast as they used to when i mixed the spawn in.

i usually add spent coffee grinds and some other stuff, but coir works great as a bulk sub by itself and is far less messy than poo.

just a suggestion...




I think I'm just going to stick to an ad-hoc mix of verm/peat/lime and sterilize that in a quart jar or two. 

If all of your rye/grain is colonized, putting a base layer underneath, and a layer on top, shouldn't be a problem. 

I'm not trying for massive fruiting, though--just some nice specimens to dry out and eat sometime when I feel like it. :smile:

RR--I wasn't really concerned with patching, etc.  I was moving/changing my environs.  Quantity isn't my deal.  Unless it's reishi (which by the way, even though that's an aggressive species, appears to be a bit finicky). I think I may just try some quart jars and see how that goes with reishi.  Anyway--I don't have the space right now to experiment around much. 

I must seclude myself and masturbate on these methods and ideals.  :wink:


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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7431276 - 09/20/07 06:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Reishi fruits poorly off plain rye. Add about 20% sawdust if you're going to fruit right from the jars.
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Re: Giant fruits off of rye [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7431498 - 09/20/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Just my usual warning to take potency reports by substrate with a grain of salt. You don't have to use poo to make good shrooms. If anything, it's likely to make bigger shrooms, but only because it's got great moisture retention. Why do you think straw is the other big fruiter?

My most potent experience to date was from a BRF cake I fruited for fun. From the same strain, I've had weaker ones from BRF, from straw, wheat berries and from poo; and also very strong ones.

Shroom size is a huge, huge factor in potency, one that overshadows all others. I didn't used to think this was the case, but it's become obvious the more I've experimented with it that smaller shrooms are proportionally more potent.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't grow yours out, but don't expect them to be equal by mass. One 40g shroom will contain way more actives than one 10g shroom, but it won't contain 4x as many. That's all. Shift your dosage accordingly.

I actually think this fact could invalidate the classic Gartz study. If his tryptamine HCl additive caused a large number of aborts or generally undersized shrooms, it's no wonder they were more potent by mass.


In response to the main point in the original post, though, I have not noticed rye to be a big fruiter. It's got a lot of carbs, but it's just not that good of a moisture-holder. A good casing would fix this, of course, but I like to have a lot of my moisture in the substrate, not just on it, for safety.


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