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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Cracka_X]
#7448249 - 09/24/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Then he couldn't ask in a reasonable manner
Excuse me, but according to somebody posting earlier in this thread, his manner of speech is known as "orating". Apparently, this is how people speak at political functions.
> Andrew Meyer shoved his way to the front of the line to ask his question(s).
Yes, but he is a determined speaker, and determined speakers get to be rude before orating at political functions.
> He got what had coming
He didn't even get his questions answered.
> The kid is an attention whore and it's ridiculous how ppl think "OH police brutality!" I mean come the fuck on.
Pretty much sums it up for me. -Groundhog Day (rather apropos)
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: wps]
#7448260 - 09/24/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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in fact, I think there should be an organization that sends people in to 'Q&A sessions' like this one just so they can storm the mike and ask an 'unapproved' question.
Are you even reading people's replies to your posts? What part of "it wasn't the question, but his behavior" that was unacceptable do you not understand?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
#7448307 - 09/24/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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have you ever attended one of these speeches, and tried to ask a question using the proper procedures?
Most of these events are so arranged that the questioners are decided way in advance, and the questions have to be pre-approved.
Thus, the illusion of the 'spontaneous dialogue' is created, when in fact the whole thing is scripted, and certain subject matter are forbidden to be broached.
If political debates and forums and town hall meetings weren't censored in this way, people wouldn't have to rush the mike in order to ask the non-canned questions that people REALLY want to know the answers to.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: wps]
#7448447 - 09/24/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cracka_X said: look, i can't beleive this thread is still going. The truth about Andrew Myer is that he is a complete tool with a craving to get attention.
When the final Harry Potter book came out he was out in Turlington with a huge sign reading, "HARRY DIES!"
In a press conference with Urban Meyer among the relavant questions asked to Urban, Andrew asks if he wears boxers or briefs.
you know, this really reminds me of that stunt that those guys promoting Adult Swim pulled. It went off fine in all other cities, but in their home city of Boston, they were arrested for making terrorist devices. Then at the press conference, they just talked about Hair styles the whole time.
It really pissed everyone off, but you know what, they were never assaulted and tased, and they were expressing their freedom of speech. Of course they were screwing with the system - making a statement. They knew their comments would be twisted, and they probably were not prepared for making such comments anyways.
This parallels Andrew Meyer, in that he too could act as a comedian, but he didn't. His questions alone were serious, although rhetoric. It was a standard Q&A, the same shit you could pull off John Kerry's website. The questions he asked were not so friendly, but very serious. There was not even a slight hint of comedy in his questions, nor should there have been.
You guys keep pulling all this crap out of here, AFTER THE FACT. It's not like the campus cops were there googling his shit before they moved in and assaulted him. The assault (putting their hands on him) occurred before he even started moving around. This initial assault was exactly what caused him to pull away.
I'm not going to sit here and try to argue that getting tased by resisting and fighting cops is unjust. It most certainly is. my gripe is the initial assault, and the reasoning behind it.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: wps]
#7448546 - 09/24/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most of these events are so arranged that the questioners are decided way in advance
have you ever attended one of these speeches, and tried to ask a question using the proper procedures?
Does the truth matter to you at all? Have you even read this thread?
The procedure was you waited in line until you got to the mic. There was no evil question selection overlord standing there with a taser. Jesus!
The guy was like fourth in line at an open microphone. The question period ended. Everyone in line AHEAD OF HIM sat down disappointed because time ran out before they got to the mic. They sat down like normal people do when time runs out. If Mayer had gotten to the event 30 minutes earlier, he would have been far enough up in line to make it to the mic before time ran out.
There was no question selection conspiracy. IT WAS AN OPEN MIC! AN OPEN MIC! He just didn't get there in time. What part of that concept are you having trouble with?
Mayer threw a hissy fit because he didn't get to the mic in time. The cops tried to walk him out, he broke free and rushed the mic. Repeatedly! Even though he'd been asked to stop. Repeatedly!
He finally got tasered after struggling with the police.
How many more non-facts are you going to make up to support your incorrect pre-conclusions?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
#7448759 - 09/24/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid, you can't actually think had he been there and been first in line for the question period, that Kerry would have answered the questions posed? More people than this guy have asked Kerry (and Bush) the same questions. They never answer them.
The attention should NOT be placed on the disruption and the tasering but on the questions that were asked.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7449190 - 09/24/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> The attention should NOT be placed on the disruption and the tasering but on the questions that were asked.
I don't disagree with your statement, but unfortunately, the "determined orator known as Meyers" odd behavior and resulting ejection ended up giving Kerry an easy out. Not only did Meyers behavior let Kerry off the hook, but it also soiled the reputation of anybody else that isn't a manic loone that wants to ask the same questions.
> have you ever attended one of these speeches, and tried to ask a question using the proper procedures?
Yes, I have attended speeches given by politicians in a university setting, and no, from what I can tell, the questions (asked by the students) were not scripted. Colon Powell was by far the best, especially watching him verbally castrate a "skilled orator" like Meyers. (There was a Meyer's like idiot at the Powell speech, and unlike Kerry, Powell handled it beautifully... no taser was needed.)
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
#7449362 - 09/24/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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To start with, this thread is getting rediculously old. On the other hand, who gives a flying fuck if Kerry is or isn't in some secret fraternity. Does it really matter?
My grandfather is a free mason, my father is a devout jew, and my mother is a jew gone catholic. They're fucking religions, everyone has one, let it be. And this debate is intensely retarded.
Religion, Frat, Secret Society, doesn't really matter. Was the debate staged, probably not.
I don't see Meyers bitching anymore, was he silenced? Probably not. Would it really matter if he was? Probably not.
This incident is going to fade to the winds of time, a dumb ass kid got tased, as 100 other people probably did the same exact day. The police mishandled the situation, thier people, they make mistakes. The kid was out of line, he's a person, he made a fuckup.
So, how about some god damned decency and let this thread die before it lowers all of our intelligence.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7449558 - 09/24/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is your opinion on the link between Kerry and Bush in the same fraternity? If in fact Bush and Kerry are Freemasons together, we have to then figure out to what purpose they are fooling the American people (and the world) by pretending to have different agendas.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7449576 - 09/24/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What leads you to believe they have the same agenda? Have you ever been to a Church, a Mosque, a Synagouge? No two people have the same agenda, no two people think alike. It doesn't matter if you're in the same Frat or Religion, people differ, plain and simple.
My brother was in the same Frat as me in college, he's my complete opposite politically, religiously, ideologically, etc, etc.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7449615 - 09/24/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey people of America!
You have 2 choices for the man to run your country. If you pick one that we don't want, then we'll just say our guy won. By the way, they were both in the same Secret Fraternity that is so secret you are not allowed to know ANYTHING about it, but don't worry! They don't have the same thing in mind. They are for the people. Go drink some alcohol and forgot about this.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7449640 - 09/24/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend, you'll always only have two choices for President. We live in a Bicamerical Society, two parties. Sadly neither provide any real entertainment at their conventions.
That is a fact we all have to live with.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7449651 - 09/24/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah because they kill anyone else that stands in their way.
Kennedy? Lennon?
To explain why I say Lennon, watch 'The US vs John Lennon'.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7449746 - 09/24/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, check out some John Zerzan, I think you'll enjoy his works. Atleast I do.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7450526 - 09/25/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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WScottsdale said: What is your opinion on the link between Kerry and Bush in the same fraternity? If in fact Bush and Kerry are Freemasons together, we have to then figure out to what purpose they are fooling the American people (and the world) by pretending to have different agendas.
first of all, neither of them are Freemasons. Second, freemasonry is not a religion (someone else said that). Bush and Kerry are Skull and Bones, which is actually an anti-masonic group, originally created to counter the influence of the masons.
Masonry is founded on principles or morality, brotherly love and the pursuit of knowledge. Skull and Bones is founded on a cult of influence, political power and international opium trade. Skull and Bones are also much more exclusive, therefore secretive.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7450596 - 09/25/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that makes sense. From the reading I've done on Freemasonry, it seems to be all about the things I am about. ie. Spiritual development, strengthening knowledge of science and arts, helping charities, etc. But I have also seen a few of Skull and Bones references in Freemasonry and the fact that they are so secret doesn't allow me to fully believe any one story about either the Freemasonry group or even an anti-Freemasonry group.
Do you have a source for where you found that Skull and Bones is an anti-Freemasonry group, kotik?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7451282 - 09/25/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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actually, finding sources for that info is extremely difficult... here are a few i just dug up:
http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboys1.html
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Phi Beta Kappa dropped its secret society aspect in 1832 and became an "open honorary organization," and "[in] protest, apparently, William H. Russell, valedictorian of 1833, got Alphonso Taft and thirteen other members of '33 to form what is now perhaps the most famous secret society in the United States."
From the very beginning Skull and Bones encountered resentment from fellow students. The faculty sent warning letters to the parents of early initiates. Even amid this controversy the chapter persisted and flourished, and by 1884 two other senior secret societies at Yale had been formed: Scroll and Key, and Wolf's Head. Also, Phi Beta Kappa had been revived after disappearing in 1871.
One old Yale tradition is "that 'Bones’ is a branch of a university corps of Germany, in which country, General Russell spent some time before graduation." During an infamous break-in by the "Order of File and Claw", on September 29, 1876 into the "Tomb"—the windowless "Bones"-owned and -built meeting house—the walls were seen to be "adorned with pictures of the founders of Bones at Yale, and of the members of the society in Germany, when the Chapter was established here in 1832."
In the cellar, the "File and Claw" raiders found a small room, with an "always-burning lamp" and "a dilapidated human skull." Upstairs three rooms were found, a lodge room with its walls covered in black velvet, a table with skull and crossbones, and the "sanctum sanctorum," room number 322, "furnished in red velvet" and on the wall a star with a finger pointing to it.
The "Order of File and Claw" also reported "an old engraving representing an open burial vault, in which on a stone slab, rest four human skulls, grouped around a fool's-cap and bells, an open book, several mathematical instruments, a beggar's scrip, and a royal crown. On the arched wall above the vault are the explanatory words, in Roman letters, 'We War Der Thor, Wer Weiser, We Bettler Oder Kaiser?' and below the vault is engraved, in German characters, the sentence; 'Ob Arm, Ob Beich, im Tode gleich,''.
Not an obvious case for anti-masonry, but once you understand the principles of masonry, it's easy to see the very beginnings of Skull and Bones, along with William Russels' business ventures... that it's all far from masonic. It was just a club for harvesting influence, as opposed to knowledge and etc.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: lonestar2004]
#7451426 - 09/25/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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All of the news reports I heard about this said once the cameras were turned off he cooperated and stopped fighting with the police. He did it as a stunt to get attention. If I were in the audience I would have cheered when he got tasered.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: allreadyused]
#7451504 - 09/25/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well then, you get a gold star!
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: allreadyused]
#7451800 - 09/25/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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allreadyused said: All of the news reports I heard about this said once the cameras were turned off he cooperated and stopped fighting with the police. He did it as a stunt to get attention. If I were in the audience I would have cheered when he got tasered.
Really, now let's see you back up your statement with some evidence. Qoute a reliable news source with a link to the news article.
Personally, I think your talking out of your ass.
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