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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7440481 - 09/22/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"He's a comedian, whatever he says is worthless, therefore not valid."
Why is it so impossible for you to grasp that it's not what he says that is at issue, but his behavior? Anyone who watched those videos can see he got zapped not for asking about Skull and Bones, or even for doing an infomercial on the "excellence" of Greg Palast as an investigative journalist (that still cracks me up, by the way), but for being an asshat -- the sombrero of asshats, to be more accurate.
The guy was flailing all over the place, resisting to the utmost of his ability being ejected. And -- as his behavior once out of the venue reveals -- he wasn't really panicked at all. His behavior inside was calculated. It was a show.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7440784 - 09/22/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The guy was flailing all over the place, resisting to the utmost of his ability being ejected. And -- as his behavior once out of the venue reveals -- he wasn't really panicked at all. His behavior inside was calculated. It was a show.
But WHY was he being ejected from the political process? What is so wrong with his voice that it can only be sampled, but never heard?
Don't tell me about his past. He laid it out well enough for himself. He felt disenfranchised. Betrayed by Kerry. So do others. Deal with it!
Better yet... deal with it like a politician... flap your jaws a little.... everyone has seen a politician in action... and this WAS a political venue. If you think he's dispicable...tell him he's dispicable....if the use of the word "blowjob" discredits him for eternity... tell him that he is discredited for eternity. But keep your paws off!
So he is the "sombrero of asshats"?!??!!!! Every event of this nature should make allowances for such dignitaries. Seriously! The MORE psychologically unique you make him out to be then the LESS of an argument you have for changing the nature of the game (turning a discussion into a wrestling match) simply for his sake alone. And if the police had so much foreknowledge of his crazy nature, then everyone should have been on the same page as to how to deal with him without offending Americans everywhere and turning this into an obscene passion play with democracy as the crucified Christ. Nobody would care about this person if he were simply blogging somewhere about how he was denied entry into this event because he's such a loose canon and physical menace that everyone feared it would end in a legitimate tasing.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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Prove to me that it was a fake taser. And I'll agree that it was all "a show".
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7440898 - 09/22/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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But WHY was he being ejected from the political process?
Because the sponsors of the event -- NOT the cops -- got tired of his shenanigans. And he wasn't ejected from the "political process", he was ejected from an event that the organizers had declared was over.
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Don't tell me about his past.
Heaven forbid I tell you about his past from five minutes before the cameras start rolling. Completely irelevant <sarcasm>. Heaven forbid I tell you about his "future" -- i.e. the startling change in his demeanor the instant he knows there are no longer cameras on him. Completely irrelevant. <sarcasm>
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He felt disenfranchised.
Fuck me, was this clown even old enough to vote in the 2004 elections? "Disenfranchised" by being born too late. How tragic! What he feels is not an excuse for acting like an asshat.
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And if the police had so much foreknowledge of his crazy nature...
It wasn't foreknowledge, it was simple observation. You still haven't bothered to read the testimony regarding his actions five minutes before the video camera was turned on, I see. Why am I not surprised?
I realize you are content to lead a fact-free existence. Not all of us are.
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... then everyone should have been on the same page as to how to deal with him without offending Americans everywhere...
Offending Americans everywhere? I know you prefer to live the fact-free life, but if you look at the reaction of Americans (even in CNN online polls... and don't try to tell me CNN caters to the right wing) in their comments, the majority of respondents say the same thing I do -- the guy is an asshat who brought it all on himself.
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...and turning this into an obscene passion play with democracy as the crucified Christ.
Oh good grief. Could you possibly be any more hysterical? "Obscene passion play". "Democracy" as the "crucified Christ". Gag me with a spoon. This guy isn't the Messiah, he's just a buffoonish college student drama queen attention whore.
There's no point continuing a discussion with someone who refuses to inform themselves of exactly what happened. It's impossible to reason someone out of a postion he never reasoned himself into in the first place. Despite what the Lefties would have you believe, emotions are not tools of cognition.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7441541 - 09/22/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prankster....Trickster...attention whore......political film maker....whatever...this student WAS engaging in a political process. I'm certain he thought he was entering into an arena for ideas upon arriving, which is what the place should have been. I'm certain he did not think he was entering into the Thunder Dome, which is what it turned into.
I also don't think he grasped how the place had turned from discussion hall to Thunder Dome. When he tried to escape, when he addressed the audience, he was addressing the political arena, not the unfortunate inescapable reality of the Thunder Dome. Sure, as he left, he realized that he had just been ejected from the Thunder Dome. I'm sure it felt surreal.
I'm sure the guy thinks he's a giant in the world of ideas...in the world of politics. He probably has a ready made solution for each of life's problems. Hence the arrogance, hence the pushiness and insistence on being heard.
Some people just see a lose cannon resisting arrest. I see a determined orator fighting to overcome a "technical difficulty" at a political function, as if it were no more than a malfunctioning microphone. I Don't believe the guy thinks himself a giant in the world of Thunder Dome. I don't anticipate him physically resisting a legitimate arrest like drug possession or tax evasion because of some belief that might makes right. Like I said previously, he didn't grasp exactly the fact of the discussion dome turning into the Thunder Dome. The applause only added to the confusion. Some of it was undoubtedly political level applause. Some of it was undoubtedly Thunder Dome applause. He heard political applause and responded to political applause. Perhaps in a sense he is blind, blinded by the importance of the message he believes himself to be carrying inside.
He could have "gone" easier. Sure. He probably sees that now. But WHY did he have to go at all? Why DOES the discussion hall become the Thunder Dome? WHY does it go from ideas and books and arrogant attitudes to grabbing and tasing and hauling someone away?
Answer: Because the police were just TOO involved. As they often are in our lives. We've ALL dealt with people who were aggressive about getting a particular parking space or being next to check out at the grocery store. Did the world come to an end because law enforcement wasn't there with a taser? No. Nor would it have come to an end if the police hadn't been at this event. He would have blathered on for maybe another minute or two and eventually John Kerry would have got in an answer. I assume Kerry's own stalling was the biggest obstacle. The kid was wordy, but eventually we all do breathe. Perhaps there would have been a round or two of this, but eventually the kid would have either embarrassed himself or got Kerry to say something that the kid would have found sufficiently incriminating. Or, having raised enough interest in himself, he would have just plugged another book, his website, or a presidential candidate and moved on, maybe with a gesture like this: We should all be accustomed to spam by now and the answer to spam is defintiely not tasing.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7441845 - 09/22/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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From http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/09/919_why_the_tas.html --
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Why The Taser Bro Has Done Us All A Favor
Those under the delusion that the tasering of that FL student is a "iconic turning point" "in the annals of a closing society" need to get a hold of themselves and study up on the incident. The kid involved has a long history of taping practical jokes and by eye-witness accounts only fought police when the cameras were on him. Taser Bro is not a free speech martyr: he is just the latest example of traditional media rewarding abject narcissism at the cost of public political discourse.
Unfortunately Taser Bro is not an isolated incident, and unless the media wises up fast they should expect more and more campaigns to shut off candidates from the public in response. For example, in '06 blogger Mike Stark, who was tackled by ex-Sen. George Allen (R-VA) staffers, admitted that he attended Allen events for the sole purpose of hoping to cause embarrassing altercations. For every macaca video out there that sheds justifiable light on a candidate, there are going to be ten provocateurs seeking to disrupt public events in the hopes of becoming the next YouTube hero. The next time someone disrupts an event, before anyone gives them a second of coverage, let's first ask if this is just another Taser Bro.
There's no Thunder Dome here. Just another narcissistic moonbat playing to the gallery.
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He could have "gone" easier. Sure. He probably sees that now. But WHY did he have to go at all?
Because time was up. That's how these events work.
What about all the other people who were in front of Taser Bro? The ones who sat down. What makes their questions any less worthy of being asked than Taser Bro's? The fact of the matter is, their questions weren't any less worthy. From the quality of Taser Bro's questions, it is hard to see how their (unasked) questions could possibly have been less worthy than his gibberish. They just decided it wasn't worth throwing a hissy fit in front of a room full of people when their desires were thwarted.
Is that how you want to see these events handled from now on -- the organizers must allow ALL questioners to ask their questions, no matter how long it takes? And each questioner gets to pimp his favorite book -- be it by Al Franken or Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh or Noam Chomsky -- before launching into a "background" speech, then finally asking three questions in a row (and probably expecting to ask three more followups if he/she doesn't like the answers)?
Yeah, that'll work.
"Bob, we have an opportunity here to book Nelson Mandela next month, but he'll draw a HUGE crowd. Probably be anywhere from ten to twelve dozen people anxious to ask questions when he's done speaking. At five minutes per person, that's... umm... about a ten hour question period. So I guess we cross Mandela off the list. Who else we got?"
"Well, there's the new county dog catcher. She's black and a lesbian and a vegan to boot, so there'll be no Republicans wanting to attend. Not many Independents either. Maybe ten or twelve questioners. So say an hour for the question and answer period?"
"Great. Book her."
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7441968 - 09/22/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Breaking news from Scrappleface: http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2692
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Kerry Recovers After Tasered Student Rescue
by Scott Ott
(2007-09-19) — Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, today says he believes that he has fully recovered from any injuries he may have sustained during his attempted rescue of a University of Florida student who was tasered by police during the senator’s speech at the school earlier this week.
Although the former presidential candidate’s initial statements indicated he was not aware that Andrew Meyer had been tasered until he read news accounts, “upon reviewing the video I noticed that I had instinctively attempted to disarm the aggressors by producing a low-pitched monotone sound from my throat — a tactic I perfected to scare off Charlie in the jungles of Cambodia. Apparently it worked. They left.”
Asked if he was alarmed by the incident, Mr. Kerry, a professional Vietnam veteran, said, “After all the action I saw in ‘Nam, a little scuffle like this don’t faze me, bro.”
In related news, dozens of eyewitnesses have reported that, until they saw news coverage of the event, they didn’t realize that a U.S. Senator had been in the room.
How true. This is the most coverage a Kerry speech has received in years, and none of that coverage is about anything Kerry actually droned... err... said.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
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I love this thread!
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: roby000]
#7442352 - 09/23/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Part of me doesn't believe the attitude in this thread.. have you guys even seen the longer version? I thought a President or Congressman was supposed to be for the people?
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How come all your attention is focused on the tasering and the disturbance and not the fact that the Skull and Bones question was never answered? In the MSNBC broadcast it was side stepped and even here it isn't even being acknowledged. The implications of the Skull and Bones theory (I personally believe it to be legit. see: skull and bones, 322, freemasons, yale university fraternities) are that the whole democratic system of the United States is a puppet show. Many will probably jeer.. but could this mans outburst not be a microcosm of the Boston Tea Party?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7442366 - 09/23/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, on the CNN website that is about this, just look at the comments. All perfect grammar. They all seem the same style.. and guess what? New comments have been DISABLED.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7447529 - 09/24/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I must say I read at least 20 articles about this and not one of them mentioned Kerry's answer to the question.
was the tasing necessary? I don't think so. That big black dude could have lifted the kid by his shoulders, taken him outside to the curb, "Don't come back", and close the door. It could have been that simple. I quiet, clean removal from the premesis. The shit that went down instead, was unprofessional. The whole point in handling these matters is to avoid a scene, which those cops failed miserably at.
as far as: 'the kid was resisting goes', give me a break. Police can make it look, to a camera, as if someone is resisting in order to justify using force, the same way police can get a drug dog to false alert in order to justify an illegal search. I see them do this all the time on cops:
police: "STOP RESISTING" suspect: "I'm NOT!" police: bzzzzzzzzztt
later, in court: police: "You see, here in the video, it doesn't look like the suspect is out of control, but he was actually applying pressure against me."
bullshit.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: wps]
#7447563 - 09/24/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh yeah, and I must say this as well:
it seems to me that these 'political q & a's' are complete bullshit, in that all the questions are read beforehand and pre-approved. In the you-tube debates, all the candidates had access to the questions before the debate. So it seems that there is no longer such a thing as a spontaneous dialogue between politicians and voters. Everything is staged. It seems to me that this kid was merely protesting against this bullshit. I say, 'more power to him.'
maybe if they let people ask any question, instead of filtering out the 'objectionable' questions beforehand, this kind of 'rushing the stage' behavior wouldn't have to happen? When you censor people in a political forum, WTF do you expect is going to happen?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: wps]
#7447586 - 09/24/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> It could have been that simple.
It could have, but Meyer (the kid) wouldn't allow it to be that simple. Instead, he ran forward (towards the exit) to get away from his escort, then tried to jump around them (over, and to their right side) to get back to the mic. The "big black dude" was simply pushing him out before that, being nice. When being nice and simple stopped working, the police used force.
> Police can make it look, to a camera, as if someone is resisting in order to justify using force, the same way police can get a drug dog to false alert
You need more than a break if you believe what you just typed. The kid (Meyer) was on the ground. The police are trying to handcuff him. Four police are trying to hold the kid down while one other is watching their back and a sixth is trying to get handcuffs latched. The sixth cop manages to get ONE wrist locked in the handcuff when the kid pushes up, making it halfway to his feet, with four cops trying to hold him down. How much more do you need before you call it resisting? Watch the camera angle from the microphone and watch it frame by frame if you doubt me. It is very clear. It wasn't until Meyers (the kid) started to stand up with the four cops, including the "big black dude," trying to hold him down, with one wrist handcuffed and the other free, that the taser was used.
> I must say I read at least 20 articles about this and not one of them mentioned Kerry's answer to the question.
The transcript I produced includes Kerry's response. It was something along the lines of "... what he asked is an important question. It is too bad that he is not available to swear me in as president."
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
#7447612 - 09/24/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could easily make a video that convincingly depicted me, trying in vain to lift a styrofoam cup. Huffing and puffing away, grunting and squealing, oh man, its just too heavy, I give up. Still doesn't PROVE that I can't lift the cup.
I still can't believe that 6 people, trained officers, could not manage to get that kid into cuffs. bullshit.
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The transcript I produced includes Kerry's response. It was something along the lines of "... what he asked is an important question. It is too bad that he is not available to swear me in as president."
Don't skirt the issue. I was referring to Kerry's response to the skull & bones question, not the question about his concession.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: wps]
#7447904 - 09/24/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hah, and yet another person who avoided the question. lol. looks like the conspiracy has spread even to the shroomery.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
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And you know that the news networks are in on it. Downplaying, even turning this courageous rebellion (and I don't use the term lightly - what that guy did took a lot of courage. The gov. will probably be screwing with him now.) They (mass media news networks) may be evil, lying, truth twisting fucks, but you got to hand it to them.. they are good at what they do.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7448200 - 09/24/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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look, i can't beleive this thread is still going. The truth about Andrew Myer is that he is a complete tool with a craving to get attention.
When the final Harry Potter book came out he was out in Turlington with a huge sign reading, "HARRY DIES!"
In a press conference with Urban Meyer among the relavant questions asked to Urban, Andrew asks if he wears boxers or briefs.
The kid is an attention whore and it's ridiculous how ppl think "OH police brutality!" I mean come the fuck on.
Andrew Meyer shoved his way to the front of the line to ask his question(s). So right then and there, he had an eye on him. Then he couldn't ask in a reasonable manner to, I suppose to "maintain the integrity" of the forum. He got what had coming and did a horrible acting job that would probably be good enough to make a power rangers show.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Cracka_X]
#7448239 - 09/24/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think if anyone got what they had coming it was the 'political forum' itself.
in fact, I think there should be an organization that sends people in to 'Q&A sessions' like this one just so they can storm the mike and ask an 'unapproved' question.
With what passes for 'voter/politician dialogue' these days, I would be sad if people DIDN'T sneak in and ask uncensored questions.
the organizers of the event forced that kid's hand by not providing a legitimate way to ask the question. in other words, if the shit wasn't completely censored and bogus, no one would be storming the mike.
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