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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7438068 - 09/21/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some one at another forum had this suggestion-
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I was thinking that perhaps the police should just make us all wear shock collars. Then they could just use all the cameras they're putting on the street corners to keep an eye on us.
We step out of line? BAM!
Actually, that sounds expensive. We only need a small volume of such shock collars which would periodically be shifted around the population. The we could post videos of the people receiving their punishment and talk about what fools they are for misbehaving. One only need watch this Taser video to see how quickly people formerly willing to heckle the student suddenly became empathetic with him when faced with the visceral reality of electrocution. Merely by watching others fitted with the shock collar, we would all come around to understanding that disobedience is not the way to go, right?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7438303 - 09/21/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7438546 - 09/21/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regardless of the kid's faults, he was there to ask questions.
No he wasn't. He was there to make a speech in front of a captive audience.
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As, a result of wanting answers, physical suffering was brought to him. (want answers = get pain)
He didn't want answers. He wanted attention. And he got it.
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Why the police presence? So much fault found with the kids interaction with the police.... But WHY the police presence? Why like that? Why police hovering over people at the microphone?
Do you really want to know why? Because if you do, it's easy enough to find out. Read what this guy had done before the cameras started rolling and you'll know why the University cops were a little closer than usual. http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/19/document-drop-the-andrew-meyer-taser-stunt-police-report/
And that's just what he was up to at that event. As I said before, the guy is well known on campus for several previous stunts.
Or are you just asking "why" for effect... as a setup to your own little speech.
But hey... the kid played everyone perfectly. There are now "Don't Tase Me, Bro!" t-shirts being sold everywhere, his previously ignored website is swamped with hits, and he'll probably get an offer to replace Rosie O'Donell on "The View". Just kidding about that last bit. Or maybe not. He could hardly do worse than Rosie, after all.
See http://www.hogonice.com/2007/09/meyer_is_no_lemon.html
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7438615 - 09/21/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If being tased is your idea of attention, you must have had a strange childhood. Yes, people go to these things to be heard. At least they used to. Apparantly now they go to have their fear of the police as well as their own political inaction validated.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7438687 - 09/21/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If being tased is your idea of attention, you must have had a strange childhood.
So you didn't check out the links I provided. Why am I not surprised?
As for Andrew Meyers's childhood, no matter how strange it was it doesn't excuse his behavior.
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Yes, people go to these things to be heard. At least they used to.
No, people go to these things to hear what the featured speaker has to say. At least they used to. Now some go there to be attention whores. "Look at me! Listen to me!"
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Apparantly now they go to have their fear of the police as well as their own political inaction validated.
This guy went with every intention of causing a scene. That's why he had his friend standing by ready to tape the whole thing from a foot away. That's why he bullied everyone into making an exception to the pre-announced format just for him. That's why at the first touch on his arm he went ballistic.
Anyone who acts the way this clown did is either mentally unbalanced (so, by definition, requiring closer than usual attention from security staff) or putting on an act for his own agenda.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7438704 - 09/21/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally think both are in the wrong here. The police's use of force was a bit excessive.. at the point where he's begging them not the tase him, it should be evident that he was willing to comply at that point. At the same time, it did appear as if he was putting up a struggle against being escorted.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Basilides]
#7438738 - 09/21/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally think both are in the wrong here. The police's use of force was a bit excessive.. at the point where he's begging them not the tase him, it should be evident that he was willing to comply at that point.
Then you haven't watched all the videos yet. In one video it is crystal clear that he was NOT willing to comply. He was resisting as strenuously as he could having his second hand cuffed. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. Watch the video for yourself. So they zapped him, got his other hand in cuffs, and marched him out.
Here's the thing... by the time you're on the ground with half a dozen cops on you and the cuffs are out, you ARE going to be cuffed. The option of leaving with your hands free is no longer on the table. That ship has sailed.
His actions once outside the auditorium are significant as well. I suggest you read the link I provided a few posts up -- the one at michellemalkin.com.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7439317 - 09/22/07 04:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: Do you really want to know why? Because if you do, it's easy enough to find out. Read what this guy had done before the cameras started rolling and you'll know why the University cops were a little closer than usual. http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/19/document-drop-the-andrew-meyer-taser-stunt-police-report/
And that's just what he was up to at that event. As I said before, the guy is well known on campus for several previous stunts.
Or are you just asking "why" for effect... as a setup to your own little speech.
I just love the smell of ad hominem in the morning.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7439819 - 09/22/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: Do you really want to know why? Because if you do, it's easy enough to find out. Read what this guy had done before the cameras started rolling and you'll know why the University cops were a little closer than usual. http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/19/document-drop-the-andrew-meyer-taser-stunt-police-report/
And that's just what he was up to at that event. As I said before, the guy is well known on campus for several previous stunts.
Or are you just asking "why" for effect... as a setup to your own little speech.
I just love the smell of ad hominem in the morning.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: zappaisgod]
#7439839 - 09/22/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I JUST LOVE THE SMELL OF AD HOMINEM IN THE MORNING.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7439845 - 09/22/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What ad hominem.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7439854 - 09/22/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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There was nothing ad hominem about that at all dude.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: zappaisgod]
#7439904 - 09/22/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred, I wasn't talking about Andrew Meyers' childhood. I was talking about yours. You interpreted this episode as the satisfaction of his need for attention. Thusly, in your mind, being tased equals getting attention, which makes me wonder about you.
I'm not interested in Andrew Meyers' background. AT ALL! NOTHING in his background is going to justify what I see in this video- which is pain and physicality unfairly being brought to a forum that should be about the exchange of ideas. Some may not have enjoyed the cadence of the exchange in the few moments leading up to the incident- it may have seemed to one-sided but- so what? It was still a discussion turned into a physical assault. It would be like if you decided that you didn't like the way I argued on this message board and was able to track down where I live and came over to assault me. Entirely Inappropriate! So, no! I'm not researching into this character's background. It's really not about him OR his particular theories. To me its about people who should be highly disciplined in restraint failing to show any and a world largely shrugging its shoulders about that. I don't believe in blaming victims.
Let's assume for a moment that this student WAS the latest incarnation of Satan. Isn't that all the MORE reason that the police and the moderators should have been ready and in their best form? What I saw was NOT best form. If it had been, this would NOT be an 11 page thread. By allowing a dissenter to be dragged away from a political forum and electricuted- by not taking a more reasoned approach- democracy has taken a hit. The police state has asserted its authority over democracy. We can't stomach Ahmadinajad visiting ground zero for fear he may hold his mouth wrong, but its okay if we are made to watch a disenfranchised person being made to physically suffer at the mention of his disenfranchisement in front of the runner-up president? TOTALLY FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7440217 - 09/22/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You interpreted this episode as the satisfaction of his need for attention. Thusly, in your mind, being tased equals getting attention, which makes me wonder about you.
I didn't "interpret" this episode as resulting from Meyers's need for attention, I researched the facts, then provided a link for others who wished to do the same. I was well aware when I posted that link that there would be some readers not interested in fact. I didn't know at the time that you in particular would be one of them. Now I do. We all do.
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I'm not interested in Andrew Meyers' background. AT ALL!
Of course you aren't. It's much easier to base one's views on incomplete data. Less thinking required.
Other readers of this thread have noted that part of Meyers's "background" revealed at the link I provided is the events which occurred in the minutes immediately before the film starts rolling, not his childhood. But those other readers do have an interest in fact.
You had wondered why the officers were hovering so close to him. The link tells of what he had already done at the event to warrant their attention.
Despite your repeated questions -- "Why the police presence? So much fault found with the kids interaction with the police.... But WHY the police presence? Why like that? Why police hovering over people at the microphone?" -- you show no inclination at all to actually discover the answer. Like Meyers, your asking of the questions is merely a cover for your own speech. In Meyers's case, he made the speech before asking the questions. In your case you asked the questions before making the speech, but in neither case is the goal to get the questions answered.
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NOTHING in his background is going to justify what I see in this video- which is pain and physicality unfairly being brought to a forum that should be about the exchange of ideas.
Then you haven't bothered to even watch the same videos the rest of us have, much less read the information at the link I provided which fills in what occurred both before and after the film was rolling. Anyone who watches the video can see the reason he was tasered had nothing to do with the speech he made or the questions he asked.
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It was still a discussion turned into a physical assault.
It wasn't a discussion -- it was a harangue. And it wasn't a physical assault until Meyers turned it into one.
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It would be like if you decided that you didn't like the way I argued on this message board and was able to track down where I live and came over to assault me.
Yeah, buddy... it was EXACTLY like that <sarcasm>.
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So, no! I'm not researching into this character's background.
Not even his "background" (which a normal person would call behavior) from the ten minutes before the film starts rolling? Or his behavior once he was out of view of the video cameras? Why am I not surprised?
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It's really not about him OR his particular theories.
I agree it's not about his beliefs or theories. It's about his behavior.
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By allowing a dissenter to be dragged away from a political forum and electricuted- by not taking a more reasoned approach- democracy has taken a hit. The police state has asserted its authority over democracy.
Oh, please. Could you be any more hysterical? Are we going to be treated to the spectacle of you being tasered on video in the next few weeks, too? This has nothing to do with "the police state" asserting its "authority over democracy". It's nothing more than another example of an asshat throwing a hissy fit for his audience. Don't try to inject any deeper significance into the incident than that.
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...its okay if we are made to watch a disenfranchised person being made to physically suffer at the mention of his disenfranchisement...
Meyers wasn't allowed to vote in the 2004 election? What's your source for that part of his "background", please.
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... in front of the runner-up president?
Bwahahaha! "Runner-up president"!
Good grief. That's the first time I've ever heard of the loser of a presidential election being called a "runner-up president," and I've been following US presidential elections since 1968. Runner-up president... like if Bush becomes unable to perform his duties before his term ends, the runner-up steps in, same as Miss Universe contestants.
Sometimes I wonder why I've hung around this forum for more than six years now, reading the same hackneyed catch-phrases over and over. And then I'll come across a phrase like "runner-up president" and after I clean the droplets of orange juice off my screen I realize I can never leave.
Runner-up president. That's a classic right there, I tell you what!
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
#7440348 - 09/22/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said: I'm not interested in Andrew Meyers' background. AT ALL! NOTHING in his background is going to justify what I see in this video- which is pain and physicality unfairly being brought to a forum that should be about the exchange of ideas. Some may not have enjoyed the cadence of the exchange in the few moments leading up to the incident- it may have seemed to one-sided but- so what? It was still a discussion turned into a physical assault.

precisely. so any mention of his background of doing "stunts" is irrelevant, and an ad hominem attack. It's no different as to discrediting him based on the types of movies he wrote about.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7440349 - 09/22/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It might as well be a pageant if one of two contestants is going to throw it each time around.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7440392 - 09/22/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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precisely. so any mention of his background of doing "stunts" is irrelevant, and an ad hominem attack. It's no different as to discrediting him based on the types of movies he wrote about.
That's an interesting perversion of ad hominem. Is every employee background check thus also an ad homien? Is it ad hominem to distrust a previously committed thief and liar? Is it ad hominem select an athlete based on past performance? Is it ad hominem to consider high school grades when considering a student for college?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: zappaisgod]
#7440429 - 09/22/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does this kid have a history of being violent, or just being a "jokester?" If he does in fact have a record of being violent, or starting riots - than I was mistaken, otherwise I stand by my interpretation of this discrediting as ad hominem. "He's a comedian, whatever he says is worthless, therefore not valid."
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7440457 - 09/22/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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precisely. so any mention of his background of doing "stunts" is irrelevant, and an ad hominem attack.
No, my providing the link is not irrelevant when it comes to the question asked over and over again of WHY the security personnel were close at hand when Meyer was at the microphone. There's more at the link than just his reputation of pulling attention-seeking stunts, there is also (as I have pointed out several times) testimony regarding his behavior at the event in question immediately before and immediately after the film segments.
Apparently, this question of "Why" is of considerable importance to our friend SCleROTiUM_LICK, hence his impassioned and repetitive plea for knowledge, to wit:
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Why the police presence? So much fault found with the kids interaction with the police.... But WHY the police presence? Why like that? Why police hovering over people at the microphone?
Why, why, why, why? Four "Why"s there in a pretty short space. Although our thoughtful friend makes every effort through repetition and emphasis to convince us of the importance of this question, it turns out he doesn't consider it so important that he actually wants it answered. Hence my observation that his tactics are fundamentally identical to those of Meyers -- the point isn't to get questions answered, the point is to put on a show.
Kotik, I realize that you (like S_L) will also not bother informing yourself of what transpired before and after the cameras were rolling, but you should realize that other readers here have bothered to do so. My advice to you is to go to the link I provided and read it through before making your next post. It will save you further embarassment.
Up to you.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
#7440468 - 09/22/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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He has a history of staging disruptive pranks. You have no conception of what ad hominem means or when it is applicable. Refuting a persons argument about say tax policy by citing their past child molestation conviction is ad hominem. That same citation might not be irrelevant to an Age of Consent discussion. The whore's past behavior of just this kind of activity is neither ad hominem nor irrelevant when questioning his motives. The point being so clearly made is that he was NOT some poor schmuck merely interested in asking a question. He was a polished and professional nuisance.
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