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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7434061 - 09/20/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

call me crazy, but the journalist whop asked questions?

I guess he got it straight form the horses mouth, you know the ones who actually compiled the data?

what the fuck?

is that simple to fool diploid, prop some reporter in front of a whatever and say it came from a reporter?

Imagine Orange County Florida needing to some good publicity! Hard isn't it?

disney land and all?


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7434086 - 09/20/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think youre reaching. disney didnt pay off the police to pay off the reporter, to support tazering innocent students who uncover the illuminati secret.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: roby000]
    #7434129 - 09/20/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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roby000 said:
i think youre reaching. disney didnt pay off the police to pay off the reporter, to support tazering innocent students who uncover the illuminati secret.




cause we all Know the Owner of Disner\y land wasn'ta Mason.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7434141 - 09/20/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Imagine Orange County Florida needing to some good publicity! Hard isn't it?

OK, how about these:

South Bend (Indiana) PD saw a drop of 66% in injuries since they started using tasers. Source: Journal Gazette, March 6, 2006

Putnam County (Florida) showed an 86% drop in injuries since they started using tasers. Source: Palatka Daily News, August 11, 2006

Austin PD showed officer injuries down 50%, suspect injuries down 82% since they started using tasers. Source: Austin Chronicle Home, July 29, 2005


There are many more.

I guess he got it straight form the horses mouth, you know the ones who actually compiled the data?

You asked for statistics. I provided credible news sources. Now you backpedal and say that statistics don't count.

This is the type of response people have when they're trying to win a debate rather than trying to get at the truth, whatever it may be.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7434168 - 09/20/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Imagine Orange County Florida needing to some good publicity! Hard isn't it?

OK, how about these:

South Bend (Indiana) PD saw a drop of 66% in injuries since they started using tasers. Source: Journal Gazette, March 6, 2006

Putnam County (Florida) showed an 86% drop in injuries since they started using tasers. Source: Palatka Daily News, August 11, 2006

Austin PD showed officer injuries down 50%, suspect injuries down 82% since they started using tasers. Source: Austin Chronicle Home, July 29, 2005


There are many more.

I guess he got it straight form the horses mouth, you know the ones who actually compiled the data?

You asked for statistics. I provided reliable news sources. Now you backpedal and say that statistics don't count.

This is the type of response people have when they're trying to win a debate rather than trying to get at the truth, whatever it may be.




still haven't seen definition for "less injuries", or whatever. AL I see is a sheriff's office defending its use of electrocution. So , are you gonna give me the data I need to believe you? Cause I am totally willing when you show me some bullshit that wasn't some Sheriff's office vomit.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7434207 - 09/20/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure what you mean by "Sheriff's office vomit".

When there is an injury during an arrest (read: someone went to the hospital even if it's only a scratch), there is a public record at the police department, in the paramedic department that transported the injured, and at the hospital where they were treated.

These are public records maintained by independent agencies that are not under police department influence, and it's from these cross-verified sources that reporters get their statistics.

If you still want to cling to the idea that some massive taser conspiracy is skewing this public information and reporters across the nation are all being duped, well, I don't think there's anything I could come up with that would convince you. Your mind is made up and the truth isn't relevant.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7434222 - 09/20/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

By the way, I've done a lot of work satisfying your demand for statistics.

Your turn. Can you provide a link to a credible source indicating an increase in injury rates when a PD started using tasers??


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7434230 - 09/20/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

At this point it's pretty clear that there will be no satisfying the intrepid seeker of truth that is the _junk_bag. Because of the inconvenience of it all.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7434373 - 09/20/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Damn you Diploid. Why you gotta keep fucking up peoples opinions with facts?!

[speaks like The Waterboy's mom]Taser's is the devil![/speaks like The Waterboy's mom]


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #7434780 - 09/20/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> still haven't seen definition for "less injuries"

When people are injured (damaged) while in police custody, they are taken to the hospital. It is appropriate, in this context, to read "less injuries" as a reduction in the number of cases requiring medical attention.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
    #7435290 - 09/21/07 04:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

this thread makes me want to buy a taser, if nothing else.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7435399 - 09/21/07 05:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Jon Stewart said it best, "just an example of police overreaction and student deuschebaggery"


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7435401 - 09/21/07 05:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

nakors_junk_bag said:
Quote:

roby000 said:
i think youre reaching. disney didnt pay off the police to pay off the reporter, to support tazering innocent students who uncover the illuminati secret.




cause we all Know the Owner of Disner\y land wasn'ta Mason.




lol oh PLEASE use disney as an example. Do you realize that whenever someone dies on disney property, they drive them outside of the property beore declared dead? Not a single person has been declared dead on Disney property, including people that really died there.

far cry from an illuminati operation, but a great example of how PR can affect the "truth."


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7435406 - 09/21/07 05:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Diploid said:
These are public records maintained by independent agencies that are not under police department influence, and it's from these cross-verified sources that reporters get their statistics.





uh.... doesn't sound like it.  perhaps you could clarify the verbiage used:

Quote:

Diploid said:
The Orange County (Florida) sheriff's department recorded an injury rate drop of ~80% when they stopped manhandling suspects and began using tasers. Source: Orlando Sentinel July 29, 2002




p.s. - Phred, Diploid, Zappa, Seuss?  I mean jesus - talk about going up against a wall.  it's usually a struggle with just one of you :smile:

at least a little credit to myself and nakor for even being able to put up with such nonsense for 10 pages :crazy2:


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7435589 - 09/21/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It is possible to die from a taser shock, it can send the heart into shock. Around 150 people have died from tasers.


If you use a taser, you must be prepared to kill the person on the other end. If he would have died, what would those of you justifying this be saying?


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: xFrockx]
    #7435626 - 09/21/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

more random facts (sponsored by Disney):

What is the likelihood of being killed with a Taser?

Chance of death = Total number Taser deaths / Total number times of Taser used

Total number of times Taser used (in the US) = 200,000+
Number of deaths where Taser was a factor, according to coroners (in the US): 23+

(Why do the Greens/Maori Party/Amnesty keep using the ~180 figure? The 23+ is the official opinion of coroners, who's job it is to determine the cause of death and who are professionally trained to do so. The ~180 is simple correlation. This isn't an unprofessional opinion, it isn't even an opinion: In no way does the ~180 number substantiate any sort of causal link between the Taser and the deaths.)

Chance of death = ~0.012%

I thought 50,000 volts was pretty deadly?

The Taser is fundamentally different from, say, the electric chair, because it uses electrical energy to disrupt the nervous system, rather than to destroy tissue (i.e. Cook it). Because all it needs to do is to confuse muscles with random electrical signals to override the electrical signals from the brain, it only needs a very small current. The high voltage is necessary to send that current through the body, but it doesn't carry a lot of energy.

To use an analogy with water, voltage is the pressure of the water, rather than the volume of water. A high-voltage system like the Taser would be like a supersoaker - it's high pressure, but there's not really a heck of a lot of water coming at you.

For practical purposes, the voltage affects how likely the current will zap you, but not how much damage it will cause.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7435952 - 09/21/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some one at another forum had this suggestion-


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I was thinking that perhaps the police should just make us all wear shock collars. Then they could just use all the cameras they're putting on the street corners to keep an eye on us.

We step out of line? BAM!




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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7435987 - 09/21/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

or why not connect it to the limbic system :smile:


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Arp]
    #7436597 - 09/21/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

shit, i doubt it will be that far off after RFID chips are inside all of us.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7437992 - 09/21/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Regardless of the kid's faults, he was there to ask questions.

As, a result of wanting answers, physical suffering was brought to him. (want answers = get pain)

This WAS a forum of political discussion. No one was threatened.

Why the police presence? So much fault found with the kids interaction with the police.... But WHY the police presence? Why like that? Why police hovering over people at the microphone? It isn't kosher to act up in the presence of police.... But what if there are police EVERYWHERE....even at the front lines of the democratic process! You people are like a bunch of stoners who have learned nothing except self-survival. Don't cross your eyes when the pigs are around (because they might find the drugs).

Security? Security!?!?!?!!!!(Nevermind the possible gunman sitting discreetly in the 2nd row....) We have to hover over the person at the microphone?!?!?!!! The person trying to make democracy happen?!?!?!?!?!

ONE guy wanting a question answered...wanting to express his dissapproval, his disenfranchisement. Hell, democrats have laid down TWO elections in a row to the worst president ever. I ALSO feel disenfranchised by the democrats! If more people could see it through my eyes, an Independent might have a shot.

Anyone doing engagements as long as Kerry knows that some people get excited in their efforts to make a point. And *gasp* sometimes engagements run over and certain people get "pushy" about wanting to be heard. Local agencies need to be informed about the nature of the political forum.

No skull n bones conspiracies necessary.....
What I see is the clearcut crystalization of a police state. A police state that has more validity than the political process.

AND a would be president standing by and not being too overly concerned about it. If anything will deliver Kerry from the image of his hippy past that looms in the minds of people who actually vote, his handwashing over this incident will do it. You want a conspiracy.... THERE you go. Maybe the student was WITH Kerry.

So many points about what a whack job this kid was. Well, if he was so fucking unique....deal with him as one SHOULD be dealt with in a political forum.... and then get on with the rest of the normal people....or go home....because chances are there is only ONE person quite that pushy in any small crowd....the rest would just say "Oh shucks...maybe next time."


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