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pokermush
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Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction?
#7420296 - 09/17/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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-- Edit 2/4/2008 --
The committee is meeting on Wed 2/6/2008 at 8:30 am to considering the proposal to ban salvia in Utah. Please if you know of any salvia success stories, please post them here and/or PM me. If you can, show up at the meeting to voice your opposition to the ban. This is the best opportunity to keep salvia legal in Utah.
-- End Edit 2/4/2008 --
My apologies in advance, since this is a cross-topic discussion -- part "psychedelic experience" and part "political activism". This forum gets far more traffic, and I think this topic will probably be more helpful here.
Short version (for those of us with severe ADHD): If salvia has helped you, or someone you know, break their addiction to hard drugs (meth, cocaine, heroine, prescriptions, etc.), please post the story here. To help defend salvia against attempts to ban it, please also PM me with contact information.
Long version: This winter, Utah's legislature will be considering adding Salvia to the controlled substance list, right next to LSD and heroin. This will most likely come up for consideration in December 2007 or January 2008. If we wait until then to act, it will be too late, so we're starting now. We'll probably see similar efforts in many other states later this year.
A salvia ban is harmful to the community. Every way you measure it, the community is worse off for having banned salvia. But this is far from obvious to anyone who hasn't taken the initiative to research the topic themselves.
To illustrate the potentially dramatic benefits of salvia, a number of first-hand stories of salvia helping treat drug addiction are needed. These stories will be passed on to the right people, and with permission, will be used to defend salvia.
To use the stories to persuade lawmakers, we need a number of non-anonymous stories (when presented to lawmakers, they need to be able to verify the stories if they have questions). We also need a handful of people who would be available and willing to appear before the legislative Committee and tell their story.
Feel free to anonymously post your stories in this thread, just PM me if you (or someone you know) might be willing to attach their name to your/their story.
Thanks in advance for helping keep salvia legal!
Edited by pokermush (02/04/08 01:04 PM)
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justin340
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: pokermush]
#7420482 - 09/17/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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for a while i was addicted to not feeling like i was being rolled into a garden hose and having some strange spirit talk to me. Salvia cured that. personal freedom is important and victimless crimes need not be prosecuted. I choose not to press charges on myself. it's aninimity will help it more than anything. If you win consider a career as a lawyer. i doubt they'll make it schedule II legal for medical reasons if that's what your trying for.
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pokermush
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: justin340]
#7420783 - 09/17/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I understand there is/will be skepticism. That's fine, but it really shouldn't change whether we try to stop salvia from being illegal. Personally, I've never even tried it -- I'm trying to keep it legal out of principle, and because I think it has a lot of redeeming qualities.
Anonymous stories are not nearly as effective because they can be dismissed so easily... after all, anyone can write any old story on the internet. Only non-anonymous stories will carry any weight in this scenario, where a concerned legislator or staffer could do some fact-checking. Even better is someone who can go before the committee and say something like this:
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"I was addicted to prescription painkillers. I was convicted of forging prescriptions 3 years ago and went to prison.
... (some sad details)
Salvia eventually helped break my addiction. Now I'm clean thanks to salvia. If you take salvia away, you'll be harming hundreds of people like me. You'll be taking away one of the best way people like me have of getting clean."
These kinds of laws, prohibiting/scheduling substances, are usually made in a vacuum. Literally, there is usually not anyone there to even voice a dissenting opinion when the committee considers the new law. The bill's sponsor gets up and cites the kid in PA who killed himself because of salvia, the PTA lobbyist gets up to thank the sponsor and express support for the legislation, and that's it. Without people like us to say something, getting a bill like that passed is a slam dunk. In a few states, salvia supporters have showed up to contest the new law, and have succeeded in keeping it legal.
Last year, many legislators on the committee were skeptical about approving a ban, but in the absense of dissent they approved it in committee. It went on to the house floor and passed unanimously. The only reason it didn't become law is that there wasn't enough time to schedule it in the Senate. This year, the bill's sponsor is getting an early start to make sure that doesn't happen again. That's why we're getting an early start to prevent his bill from even getting past committee.
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pokermush
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: pokermush]
#7437613 - 09/21/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Come on... some of you have to have a good story to tell, or at least know someone who does
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2859558484
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: justin340]
#7437738 - 09/21/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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justin340 said: for a while i was addicted to not feeling like i was being rolled into a garden hose and having some strange spirit talk to me. Salvia cured that.
lmao pretty much sums it up^^^
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: 2859558484]
#7437868 - 09/21/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, salvia, you weird little devil you.
I've heard that ibogaine actually has a lot of salvia-like effects. I'm sure we all know about ibogaine's apparent addiction-curing powers, so it doesn't seem too unlikely. They may work over some of the same parts of the brain
The only thing I'm genuinely, obviously, physically addicted to is tobacco, and I can't say salvia made me stop smoking fags. Then again, cigarettes aren't a huge issue in my life, and I didn't exactly go into the trip thinking about cigarettes and how I'd like to quit them.
Why not give it a shot? Salvia's one of the most harmless drugs out there, so some experimentation couldn't hurt.
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Edited by Tchan909 (09/21/07 06:46 PM)
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SapphireCat
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7438154 - 09/21/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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salvia is the devil and the messiah all in one.
i was a psychedelic junkie for awhile. shrooming every weekend and stuff like that. i tried salvia and broke through. after that i had a 2 week salvia binge, breaking out at least once a day, usually like 2/3 times a day. Curiosity just kept dragging me back to plunge down the rabbit hole. I was losing grip with reality, and started to believe reality was but a salvia trip and that i had to just let go to escape it.
I was contemplating suicide since my head was just so attached to my damn body. then i had a saliva trip and encuntered....this man contained out of 3 men. he basically showed me possible futures, one of which was my father upstairs finding out that i was doing drugs downstairs, and he let me live that reality a bit, then we travelled back to the pivot point after a few different futures, and he told me to not bother him ever again with my stupidity.
was not til a year after that, that i did salvia, and only did it because friends of mine wanted to try it but wanted to see the effects on someone else first. I broke into a diffeent reality, but again i was told i was intruding, so i apologised and left. since then havent done it again, and my general drug usage has gone down.
From being a borderline alcoholic with spirits, i now may drink a beer or two every month or two.
Salvia is probably the strongest psychedelic i've ever encountered, and to be quite honest, if i wasn't against the banning of psychedelics as a whole, i'd say go ahead and ban salvia. That way it will only be the ones that have really know about it that will be taking it and not just every kid looking for a buzz. It brings you face to face with your inner self, and you better hope you can handle what you face in there. i've seen plenty of people take it who couldn't.
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: SapphireCat]
#7438182 - 09/21/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Salvia's definitely an odd one. It's not as "easy" as the serotonergic psychedelics. Most of the times I smoked it I wound up feeling like there was a jackhammer in my head, or like I was lost at sea, or like I was a wounded soldier in a warzone.
I haven't used it in months. I don't have any plans for doing it again, but I know I will someday. I have this feeling like I'm just not ready to understand it, but someday when I'm older I will smoke it and it will all make sense.
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7438319 - 09/21/07 09:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was a long-time abuser of alcohol, and when i couldn't get booze, cough syrup with DXM. Frequently I'd either get drunk, or disassociate myself with the DXM until my psyche was beginning to crumble and my mind was having trouble coping with every-day life. Smoking pot helped chase the withdrawal pain away, but I never would have broken free if it wasn't for Salvia.
I heard about it on the internet, and from friends, and because I was into trying wacky new hallucinogens at the time, I decided to try it. Lucky for me, a store downtown was selling it so I could simply walk to the store and buy it without having to order it online (which was difficult at the time, because I was living with my parents).
Now I had learned my lesson from DXM and Alcohol; that you should always read about a drug before you consume it, because there might be hidden suprises, ie: addiction. But Salvia boasted effects that were the OPPOSITE of addiction. Your tolerance to the effects DECREASED after every dose, making you need less and less of the drug every time you wanted to use it. It sounded like the opposite of heroin addiction.
I followed the instructions I had read. I waited until I was alone and my mind was worry-free, I turned off all the lights and eliminated all ambient noise but a quiet fan blowing in the corner of my bedroom. I filled a pipe with the Divine Sage and began to smoke it, being careful to get it very hot with my butane lighter and to hold the smoke in for 30 seconds. I took two large hits.
A couple minutes later, my vision was a kaleidescope. I could pick out small objects like my lamp or my foot, but they repeated infinitely in my mind's eye. The world was too confusing, so I closed my eyes, and I was catapulted into outer space. I drifted towards the sun, and a Goddess came before me. She said that human beings, to her, are all insignificant specks of light, but that some of them shine bright enough for her to see. 15 minutes later, I was recovering my consciousness calmly in my bed.
For the first time in months, I fell asleep not only sober and without assistance, but with a smile on my face. I never touched another drop of DXM cough syrup after that (and its been 2 years since), and I only drink the occasional single beer at a party, never getting drunk. I didn't want to be a dull, dismal person anymore, I wanted to shine bright enough on this planet for the Sun to see me. I continued to use the rest of the salvia I purchased, although each time I approached it I was more reluctant to use it -- the reverse addiction was kicking in. I used it until it was gone, and I have had no desire to return to it since I finished it 2 years ago.
It can be a very terrifying substance if not used properly, and while I was responsible enough to read about the substance, I have seen teenagers younger than me smoking it in the bathrooms of schools. This presents a minor threat, because people can easily become scared of the effects (although fear is usually a concept that is difficult to grasp while on Salvia) and become a nuisance to the people around them. It is for this reason that I would encourage Salvia to be recognized by the government as a useful tool for self-exploration and addiction therapy, while I believe it should have restrictions similar to the much more dangerous drugs, alcohol and tobacco. Perhaps, because it is so difficult to use properly, it should only be offered by doctor's prescription, so that all the important information is explained to the patient properly.
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: moeburn]
#7438369 - 09/21/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was beautiful. It's great to hear affirmation of salvia's anti-addictive properties after hearing so many anecdotal reports, and I'm happy for your recovery. 
Aren't ibogaine and salvia both kappa-opioid receptor agonists?
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Edited by Tchan909 (09/21/07 09:32 PM)
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pokermush
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Re: Has Salvia helped you, or someone you know, with drug addiction? [Re: pokermush]
#7977609 - 02/04/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bumping -- please help keep salvia legal!
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