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Heffy
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Do you give money to homeless people?
#7419944 - 09/17/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes or no.
Why?
I've been back and forth on this a number of times, especially after I went to India, but I really can't decide whether to give them money or not.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7419982 - 09/17/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depends on the homeless person, depends on my mood at the moment.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7419989 - 09/17/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would be willing to buy them a healthy meal but no straight out cash.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7420019 - 09/17/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes. Often enough that they usually empty most of the change out of my car. More often a ciggerette if i just got a fresh pack.
Its just one of those things. A small act of kindness. It makes me feel good.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: breakableweed]
#7421212 - 09/17/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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breakableweed said: Depends on the homeless person, depends on my mood at the moment.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: zorbman]
#7421284 - 09/17/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would be willing to buy them a healthy meal but no straight out cash.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Brainiac]
#7421556 - 09/17/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck no. i would do nothing. 99% of "homeless people" are panhandlers with some making in excess of 100,000 dollars a year from poor saps feeling sorry for them. It's a joke, it's not MY job to take care of them. Every person is given the CHOICE to take care of themselves. If they don't, they don't deserve to live. Enabling the choice to be easier is one thing (such as supplying the means, which does not include free money..food yes; work, yes; money, no.), but locally, in the states, there is no reason one would go homeless. They choose to be homeless because they are better off that way..or so they feel. They have no problem getting free money. It's easier to live off of others. Most people don't like their lives away from their parents initially...it's shitty and hard and some never stop disliking it....reverting to relying on others.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7422201 - 09/18/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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umm I dont know where you are, but here in the bay area, most homeless people arnt going to get a job, mainly because a good majority of them are mentally ill.
99% of homeless people make 100,000 a year.
such a crock of shit.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7422210 - 09/18/07 01:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Depends on the vibe I get from the homeless person
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7422301 - 09/18/07 02:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do if i have some spare cash, it's not like i need it.
If situations were reversed and it was me asking, i'd be grateful for those people who cared enough to give...
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Mike_yy]
#7422317 - 09/18/07 02:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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if a homeless guy mad 100,000 dollars a year i dont think he would be homeless anymore. ..ill buy them a burger or a meal,even if its left overs you took home from a resturant you know they are stoked.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: PoppyRider]
#7422346 - 09/18/07 03:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obviously he's wrong on his statistics, but i did read something a while ago saying a small amount of homeless people did ring in over 60k/yr. A small amount though; and remained pretending to be homeless to have their do nothing income.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Helixx]
#7422699 - 09/18/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a story about just this thing. To think that even then the same thing happened makes me smile, kinda.
To answer your question. It is a joyous thing to be able to help when help is needed. What i s a couple extra dollars here and there really gonna mean to me? It means a great deal to them.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7422945 - 09/18/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Mike_yy]
#7422968 - 09/18/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I give him two dollars, he gives me some knowledge!
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
#7423101 - 09/18/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: sui]
#7423451 - 09/18/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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suimush said: umm I dont know where you are, but here in the bay area, most homeless people arnt going to get a job, mainly because a good majority of them are mentally ill.
99% of homeless people make 100,000 a year.
such a crock of shit.
I agree, BUT I met a homeless girl that likes being homeless. She doesn't beg/panhandle. She works at the soup kitchen to get food and people will feed her if she is really hungry. And if she ever really needed money, she would ask one of the local farmers if she could work for them by harvesting some of their crops.
She's happy. probably one of the most interesting person I've met lately.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Cracka_X]
#7423495 - 09/18/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, it depends on the homeless person and how I'm feeling at the time. The aggressive panhandlers just piss me off. The last time I gave one some money was a guy who approached a friend of mine and I while we were tripping our asses off in Denver. He wanted some change, he was polite about it and I had a pocket full I had been saving from every time I filled my tank up while driving across the country. So he got a heaping handful and I got rid of the heavy pocket that was weighing me down.
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Heffy
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I went to India last year, and saw some REALLY desperate people, with very serious problems. Some had birth defects so serious they couldn't walk bipedally, and many of them lived in shanty towns all over the city.
They were so aggressive, and needy compared to the homeless people I am used to seeing, that when I got back to Canada I was no longer intimidated by homeless people. In fact I had this feeling like they were just whining and carrying on, because there are so many services available to them here. This has kind of worn off and now I really don't know how to feel.
In some ways I feel like giving money to a lot of the homeless people I see is almost a disservice, because they are obviously using it to maintain their substance abuse problems. On the other hand I feel like I am a big asshole sometimes when I walk by people and don't give them money.
I dunno I thought I'd ask you guys, you usually have interesting responses to these kinds of questions.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7430583 - 09/19/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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depends on the person. I don't make much money myself and there's times i'm scraping the cents together to feed myself and i curse myself for giving away any money.
in general though, i'd do my best to help. It goes around, if i give a homeless person a few euro and in turn there's the off chance that my little gesture of sharing may inspire them to treat someone kindly and maybe make someone elses day.
meh all in all i'd say it's a selfish act partially on my part. it does make me feel good to have helped out a little bit. Not really sure about my beliefs either and in my eyes karma would be a just setup. And if it exists or not isn't really important, but i find i've got alot to make up to my fellow man for, and a bit of change, a smoke, a bit of weed.... it's all just a step along the way. If i can share without harming myself...why not? alot of the people in the world are so bitter(myself included, i'm just as bad as everyone else if not worse) and if i can help give someone some hope i think that's worth more than some material goods
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: SapphireCat]
#7430689 - 09/20/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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im not sure , if i had the money to spare i might buy em a 12 pk of ramen noodles and a bottle of one a day vitamins . that would deff make em feel alot better maybee better enough to try and find a job, idk tho , most homeless people choose to be homeless , aswell as forget how to get a job entirely
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7431251 - 09/20/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Yes or no
Yes and no. 
No, not all the time, as I don't want them to become dependent upon me. Yes, sometimes when I have spare change. Yes, sometimes when I go to get lunch, I will buy extra, and give the extra away. I prefer to give food rather than money.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Seuss]
#7431407 - 09/20/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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With me its a "sometimes" as well.
I've always lived in big cities (Chicago, IL and Milwaukee, WI), so I'm confronted by beggars every day.
I cant even put any rhyme or reason to how I operate w/ the homeless. Some days I'll give singles if I dont have change, and some days I wont even gives change if I have it. Its all how I feel that day. But I dont feel obligated to give money to anyone...
I think honesty is certainly a big part of it too. Dont stop me on the street and give me some long spiel about how you are from Cincinatti and your car ran out of gas and your 6 kids are in the backseat w/ your pregnant wife and you just need a dollar to get back on the road.
No, that is nonsense.
If you tell me you really fucking need a drink and a buck will you get a tallboy of CamoXXX, we can probably get you a buck or so. I've been addicted to substances, and its no fun ride. I can empathize.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7431441 - 09/20/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i gave a bum in baltimore a dollar, but just because he told me where the nearest bathroom was. I don't believe in enabling the bums to be bums, they gotta earn their money.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: jenns_hot]
#7431820 - 09/20/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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forreal i once gave a bum a buck to headbutt a stopsign , i was so proud of him for earning the dollar that i even gave him an icecube outta my mc-donalds coke to tend to the swelling.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: jenns_hot]
#7432190 - 09/20/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not just make a donation directly to the liquor store?
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7435146 - 09/21/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you tell me you really fucking need a drink and a buck will you get a tallboy of CamoXXX, we can probably get you a buck or so. I've been addicted to substances, and its no fun ride. I can empathize.
I don't care what they spend it on. Even if i knew it was going on drugs i don't think it'd affect my decision to give. That's something you'll never know, i guess if you feel morally wrong then you can decide for yourself whether your small change contributed to their next meal or the next hit (if that applies).
I don't think they should be provided for completely, but living out there can't be easy, however used to it you get. I don't feel sorry anyone in that situation because i don't know their stories,, but i'm not going to feel judgmental about the few pennies i don't even need..
Most people give because it's spare,, some of the cash they give will go on what most people might perceive as a good use, some won't.
It's money you don't need at the end of the day so even if only 10% of the people you give to are actually really genuinely grateful, then it's worth giving imo (if you're that way inclined anyway,, ).
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Mike_yy]
#7436343 - 09/21/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck bums, my city is crowded with them. wont see no money from me, no siree.
anybody can work, even them !
if i carry some food however, thats a different story, often gave away a banana or something, but no money !
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Heffy]
#7484223 - 10/04/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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when i was young i worked at the circle k at speedway and swan in Tucson. there were bums that would come in there with huge wads of cash. like ghetto gangsta wads. then there was the 30yro guy with the help a vietnam vet sign. i thought that was funny. hes not even old enough
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Bully]
#7484299 - 10/04/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a motto with giving money to the homeless - If you are sitting on the ground with a fucking sign, you won't get a dime. The only homeless folks I give anything to are the ones who are actually workin' the streets - Playing music, hailing people cabs, etc. If you are sitting there with a fucking sign that says "feed the homeless" and all these other homeless folks are out here trying to hail me a cab, you better know you ain't gettin' shit from me. Funny thing is, most of the homeless people I come across that actually try to work for your money are almost always black men and most of the folks with signs are white folks. Kind of puts a wierd irony into the old lazy black man stereotype.
There's a guy that lives at Union station; I see him every time I make a trip downtown. I always know where I'm going but somehow this man always spots me and asks me if I need any help getting a cab or finding a bus, because he always has the heads up on whats going on downtown that day. Since he is a really pleasant guy and wears pretty cool shit for being homeless, I let him work for a little cash. He's a really tall black guy with an old school fedora, a pair of raggy jeans, some kind of sweet looking old ass dirty coat and a crackhead limp.
He remembers me now, and since I have always given him shit in the past its kind of become a tradition to talk to him for a few minutes. He usually walks off with about two dollars, a few smokes and sometimes half a joint or so. Ever since the first time I saw him on my way to the Auto Show, I have seen him every single time I have been in that train station.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: Mike_yy]
#7485957 - 10/04/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No I wouldn't. Everyone has SOME kind of chance to make at least enough money to eat. No excuses, its their faults...and I do not pity them. And if they are hungry enough they can go steal food. Worst can happen is they get arrested...and da da da...they have a place to sleep.
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Re: Do you give money to homeless people? [Re: aDoS]
#7492214 - 10/06/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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My sisters friends dad used to put a 50 dollar bill in the middle of a loaf of bread so if the bum really needed it they would get 50 bucks and if they didn't need it then it would most likely be thrown out. One hell of a good idea but you obviously cant do that with every bum you see.
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