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Notes on Evil
    #7418749 - 09/17/07 02:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It is important to recognize that evil is harm caused to oneself or one's group. Evil is never what we do to another.

It is ALWAYS subjective; NEVER objective.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7418758 - 09/17/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

on the same subject of evil--underneath the mind of every sadist lies a masochist deep down... :hehehe:

simply put, if you wouldnt ever take your own life, you will never be able to commit more than a half-assed murder.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7418801 - 09/17/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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It is important to recognize that evil is harm caused to oneself or one's group. Evil is never what we do to another.





How is causing harm to one's (social network) not 'causing harm to another'?

Are you being sarcastic this morning?


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: Booby]
    #7418803 - 09/17/07 03:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No. Perhaps I phrased it poorly or you misunderstood.

There is 'I' and there is 'we'. These boundaries are not fixed, but are constantly in flux. More on this later.

Sharks are 'evil' because they occasionally eat humans; perhaps a dozen per year. We (humans), however are not evil even though we kill millions of sharks per year.

'The terrorists' are evil because 'they' behead someone. 'We' are not evil though we drop a cluster bomb from 10,000 feet that kills five 'terrorists' and a hundred civilians.

If you are Christian, you might regard Muslims as evil, but not your own group. If you are Muslim, you might regard Christianity as evil, but not your own group.

It is all a word game regarding perspective.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7418805 - 09/17/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

'Evil' is like a 'Sin' then, in that it is whatever goes against group policy; as judged by the Master or ruling body of said group. (why does 'Pyramid scheme' keep coming to mind?)

So it isn't 'evil' to fire-bomb Vietnamese villagers, nor was sept/11 'evil' nor a 'sin' it's just 'policy'.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7418809 - 09/17/07 03:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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No. Perhaps I phrased it poorly or you misunderstood.

There is 'I' and there is 'we'. These boundaries are not fixed, but are constantly in flux. More on this later.

Sharks are 'evil' because they occasionally eat humans; perhaps a dozen per year. We (humans), however are not evil even though we kill millions of sharks per year.

'The terrorists' are evil because 'they' behead someone. 'We' are not evil though we drop a cluster bomb from 10,000 feet that kills five 'terrorists' and a hundred civilians.

If you are Christian, you might regard Muslims as evil, but not your own group. If you are Muslim, you might regard Christianity as evil, but not your own group.

It is all a word game regarding perspective.




uh, so essentially all you are saying is that humans are self-righteous beings willing to use anything for their justification


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: Booby]
    #7418815 - 09/17/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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So it isn't 'evil' to fire-bomb Vietnamese villagers, nor was sept/11 'evil' nor a 'sin' it's just 'policy'.





All depends on what side you are viewing from.

Of course, I prefer the channeled words of Jesus, "What part of 'Thou shall not kill' are you having trouble with?"


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7418830 - 09/17/07 04:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Evil is pretty much a pyramid shape in nature. At our collective level of reality, on Earth, evil takes the form of money and power which create a loop of suffering and attachment. Here is a comment I made about it a while back:

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Also, fear is created from the top down, it does not exist at base so it has to be inserted into the base from another dimension. This is where power structures come in. Those who dominate and those will willingly allow themselves to be slaves are part of the same loop. Salvation rests in opening the loop..




If anyone is familiar with the concept of Holons (a unit of Being which is a whole and also a part of a greater whole), I believe that evil is when a Holon oversteps its bounds as a part and creates disease in the whole, which results in it also harming lower order Holons. For example, an ego which creates harm to society and the human carrying it, or a human civilization which has claimed the Earth for itself, making the Earth polluted and harming it's inhabitants.

Why a Holon would abuse it's power seems to stem from unawareness of it's relationship to other Holons. Unawareness meaning not fully embracing the Truth (divine light?) I think the reason why evil exists is because a very very high Holon (Lucifer) got too cocky and rejected God's truth, the light, and so this caused ripples throughout all the other Holons and now this Universe is on a mission to put the pieces back together, to heal itself back into a supreme unity in which it will be a healthy part of another whole. I just came up with that last part but it sounds cool  :bongload:


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7418841 - 09/17/07 04:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I am a secret member of the Donutons; whose power far supercedes the Holons. :yesnod:


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7418848 - 09/17/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously you haven't taken enough acid to understand the true nature of my holon theory


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7418854 - 09/17/07 05:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I will PM you my address so you can mail me the 'key' to the Holonistic Universe.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7418856 - 09/17/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm at the point where I'm seeing the pyramidal structure as a conveyance thru time. Is a social structure analogous to a physical structure like the Great Pyramids? Could the Great Pyramids be time machines in themselves? Odder and odder.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: Booby]
    #7418858 - 09/17/07 05:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm at the point where I'm seeing the pyramidal structure as a conveyance thru time. Is a social structure analogous to a physical structure like the Great Pyramids? Could the Great Pyramids be time machines in themselves? Odder and odder.




Yea, I made a post about time manifesting itself through a pyramid of Being in the M&P board:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7371485/an/0/page/2

That's an interesting thought about the Great Pyramids


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: Booby]
    #7418884 - 09/17/07 05:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A conveyance hinting at commodious luxury for the upper echelons while even the lowest common denominator reaps rewards. And, of course, the first or capstone becomes last in order to allow a continued advancement or progression up the tiers; a self-supporting and replenishing system.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7419683 - 09/17/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Be aware. Naturally predators commonly are regarded as 'evil'.
Now, "Humans are the most dangerous predators, evolution has brought up so far on earth."
(Locke, Lost)


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7419815 - 09/17/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
It is important to recognize that evil is harm caused to oneself or one's group. Evil is never what we do to another.

It is ALWAYS subjective; NEVER objective.




Speak for yerself matey!


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #7421368 - 09/17/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What you do to others is beyond evil.


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7422577 - 09/18/07 07:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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So it isn't 'evil' to fire-bomb Vietnamese villagers, nor was sept/11 'evil' nor a 'sin' it's just 'policy'.





All depends on what side you are viewing from.

Of course, I prefer the channeled words of Jesus, "What part of 'Thou shall not kill' are you having trouble with?"




Is that 'Dicordian'?

-Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own. – Malaclypse the Younger, Principia Discordia Page 00042


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Re: Notes on Evil [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7422991 - 09/18/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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What you do to others is beyond evil.




You flatter me.:)


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