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FOUND ACTIVE BLUE MYCENA! - common? PICS!!!
    #7417569 - 09/16/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

went hiking today,
HUGE HIKE.

visited many rainforests here on the PNW today. first place i went me and my lady found 2 blueish grey mycena, i instantly was drawn to them and their presence. turned out they are bruising blue all over the base of the stems! found another on my way out. they grew in the thicket canopies of bushes, on lots of decaying sticks and things.

i know that they grow and have been found, but are they rare?
what about for washington state?
pics will be up soon, found so many chants, oysters, king boletes etc, pics by tonight 4 sure.

for those who dont know, this is a supposed "Mycena cyanorhizza" that im referring to.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7417816 - 09/16/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

woa , was the micelium blue or only the stem , it supost to blue in the miceliun , well love to se the pictures, nice find i guees wil be prety easy to grow in peace of wood o twing


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: cactu]
    #7417831 - 09/16/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

update, pixxxxx!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7417860 - 09/16/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah , you got it for my point of view , whoa a pretty exotic specie
you should save it , i tell you i think is real easy to grow this one in pieceof wood precomposted, like in the habitad , congratulations try to take pieces of micelium with the mushrroms next time to see more of the blue and there you have a inoculum later.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7417864 - 09/16/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)


some oysters, and a yellow chant, I didnt think they would be out but we met an older couple on the trail who had a whole paper bag filled to the brim with chants!!!! so i had to go looking, i think they pretty much cleaned the place out :tongue:

and my boletus edulus photoz is on someone else's camera, but most of them were pretty bug eaten anyways, its hard to get to them first thats for sure.


a mushroom cloud of spores :tongue:
anyone know the name of this mushroom? i know its a kind of pseudo-puffball.





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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7417884 - 09/16/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

amazing habitad pictures , that look like a lycoperdom , is micorrisic , nice forest


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: cactu]
    #7417890 - 09/16/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yea those are really nice habitat pictures. beautiful forest.

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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7418618 - 09/17/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have not seen any evidence to support the allegation of psilocybin/psilocin containing Mycena species...


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7419225 - 09/17/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Really curecat. All my ID books came up missing after i moved but i could have swore Paul Stamets PMOTW Had a active mycena in it. I could be wrong but i thought there was something in that book about that.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7419242 - 09/17/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I have not seen any evidence to support the allegation of psilocybin/psilocin containing Mycena species...




they sure put off a strong cyan light-show.
while drying, the caps turned into what look like blueberries :tongue:

i would suspect they may be toxic, as the blue/green staining bolete is.
they first stained green, and then it turned more azure with age. the last specimen I found was already blue on the base of the stem.
the bluing isnt as dark as what ive seen from cyanescens, cubes, or copes, and not even like panaeolus subbalteatus or psilocybe stuntzii :shrug:

so in other words it didnt resemble the other alkaloid oxidation effects I witnessed in the past. I am more than curious now and am damn eager for someone to do a GC/MS!

why must they change color?

any info on this mushroom that anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. not much out there.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7419256 - 09/17/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://books.google.com/books?id=10HiGVo94FUC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=mycena+cyanorhizza&source=web&ots=wY-ewwPhru&sig=ULp2Ct01Q3dTAeGWcgn58KvkL0A

the link is paul stamets psilocybin mushrooms of the world, its page 58, and if u scroll up to the last few sentences of page 57 and read through onto page 58, stamets says that both mushroom john and gartz ingested these mycena and became psilocybin intoxicated :eek:

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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: fliped]
    #7419257 - 09/17/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World by Paul Stamets (pages 57-58):

Although I have made every attempt to make this book as complete as possible, more psilocybin-active species are being discovered each year. Many of them have not been bioassayed. Several candidates are particularly mystifying: I view several polypores with suspicion, and a bluing Lepiota or Hydnum is curious to me. But of all tantalizing genera, I am especially drawn to the small, delicate, but numerous Mycenas.

In the genus Mycena, which produces white spores, a half dozen species have bluish tones or turn bluish at the base. Mycenas are typically small, conic capped, woodland mushrooms. Despite repeated analyses (Klan 1985; Stijve and Bonnard 1986), no psilocybin or psilocin was detected in collections of Mycena amicta, Mycena cyanorhiza, Mycena pelianthina or Mycena pura.

Nevertheless, I have heard several anecdotal accounts of activity from people ingesting Mycenas. John W. Allen (aka Mjshroomer) and Gartz (1992) reports that a personal bioassay resulted in psilocybin intoxication on two occasions from two blue-footed Mycenas, a "Mycena cyanorhizza" and an unidentified Mycena, likely to be M. amicta. Because he is well versed in the effects of psilocybin, we should take his report seriously. However, we are faced with some contradictions.

I have been growing a luminescent Mycena from Malaysia, M. chlorophos, which produces white mycelium that bruises blue when cut. One analysis, however, have failed to detect any psilocybin, psilocin, or baeocystin. Is the bluing bluing phenomenon seen in these Mycena chemically similar to that seen in the psilocybin-producing mushrooms? Or are the events totally unrelated? Many researchers agree that the bluing Mycenas should be broadly screened and compared to the psilocybin-active species. Until then, I do not recommend experimenting with these or any other mushrooms with which we have had little experience. Nevertheless, with the current state of knowledge, the bluing reaction is an especially good indicator of psilocin activity in the Psilocybe and Panaeolus.




Works Cited

Allen, J.W., and J. Gartz. 1992. Index to the botanical identification and chemical analysis of the known species of the hallucinogenic fungi. Integration 2 and 3: 91-97.

Klan, J. 1985. Ceska Mykologie 39: 58-64.

Stijve, T.C., and J. Bonnard. 1986. Psilocybin et uree dans le genre Pluteus. Mycologia Helvetica 2: 123-130.

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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Workman]
    #7419272 - 09/17/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol we posted it at the same time!

right on workman i love you :heart:


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7419436 - 09/17/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> i would suspect they may be toxic, as the blue/green staining bolete is.

If they are, they contain muscarine, which is not nearly as bad as some of the other mycotoxins. It causes sweating in low to moderate doses, so if you start slowly and watch for excess sweating or other non-psilocybin like symptoms, you should be ok.

I don't know of any other mycotoxins that occur in Mycena.

Bluing Mycenas are widely distributed and rare.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7419691 - 09/17/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Soooooo, John Allen's' anecdote is the only "evidence" of a psilocybin containing, blue Mycena.... Yeeeah, I think the chemical analysis holds a hell of a lot more weight.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7419860 - 09/17/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> Soooooo, John Allen's' anecdote is the only "evidence" of a psilocybin containing, blue Mycena.... Yeeeah, I think the chemical analysis holds a hell of a lot more weight.


One legit-looking trip report would do it for me, but it is hard to gather enough of these.

Until I see one, its 50/50 whether or not they are active.

I would like to know though. It would be the only white spored active, and the only active in the Tricholomataceae.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7420238 - 09/17/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it would be quite a find... I'm almost willing to declare myself insane, clone myself, eat a few and possibly die just for scientific study and analysis. Too bad there arent any cloning facilities nearby... that i know of...


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7421039 - 09/17/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah... that YOU know of...


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    #7421902 - 09/17/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Its time for me to start hiking...

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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7422221 - 09/18/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i have the possibility to test if the shrooms contain psilocin/psilocybin.

i first need the mushrooms :thumbup:


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Entersandman]
    #7422360 - 09/18/07 03:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Metol anyone?

Anyone wanna go back in time and buy a jug of metol?


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7422373 - 09/18/07 03:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Metol isn't terribly effective. If anything, it enhances the bluing, but i understand that it does not turn the liquid itself blue.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7422375 - 09/18/07 03:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ha! ive never even seen the chemical myself. only read about it.

so it bring out the bluing reaction more. making it more prevalent to the eye?

damn your up late girl.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7422385 - 09/18/07 03:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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so it bring out the bluing reaction more. making it more prevalent to the eye?



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5715660#Post5715660


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damn your up late girl. 



Please, I'd prefer to be addressed as "dude" or "mang".

And, late my ass- I'm a night owl.... despite my best interests.
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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7422402 - 09/18/07 04:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well damn. my interests at night tend to stay very limited. smoking, growing, gaming, sleeping, eating. nothin too special

my apologies. i wont call you a dude though. sorry. or mang.

if youre of the female sex, your names are lady, girl, ma'am, hot stuff, babe (depending on how i know you), she, her, goddess, and woman.

you pick. :smirk:


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7422751 - 09/18/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

nice finds my friend, the PNW is so beautifull.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7422762 - 09/18/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

In that case, call me "CureCat", "Cat", or "CC", or any other derivative,  but none of the terms listed above.  :argh:

I'll have you know, people who use those terms with me in public (esp. parties, clubs, shows, etc) generally tend to be ignored, and sometimes bribed away.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7422933 - 09/18/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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and sometimes bribed away.




:naughty:


:lol:



mushroom john supposedly reported 2 active mycenas, and gartz also ingested them(cyanorhizza) and reported the same, no?
i think mj would have a clear sense of whats active and what isnt, even if he is mashed banana in his noodle.

I have some gill fragments for trade if anyones interested in agar work with this mushroom. it would be cool to see some studies being done on this, wether its just a bunch of people at home or scientists in a lab.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7423475 - 09/18/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Please, know i am only jesting with you. for the only name i have EVER given you is Curecat. other than girl that once... And i am not this way in person. My mother taught me to respect women while growing up. sorry for straying

only a joke of somewhat poor taste. ignore my ignorance


other than that!

I would love to have these mycena in my collection but i believe it would be put to better use in other peoples collections. Like Workmans.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7424401 - 09/18/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No worries.  :shakecat:


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7424565 - 09/18/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol.

so whos gonna attempt these guys? either in the testing or growing departments.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7424570 - 09/18/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

We elect Workman!  :grin:


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CureCat]
    #7424577 - 09/18/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7424745 - 09/18/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i sent workman a pm. he hasnt responded yet.

im sure hes probably quite busy.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7424850 - 09/18/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He is, but I'm sure he'll be interested.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7425979 - 09/18/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Man, are my ears burning.

Years ago I took a print of a blue footed Mycena in the PNW (I probably still have the spores) that looked identical to these specimens. My collection smelled like radishes when crushed. Unfortunately, the spores didn't germinate on agar for some reason and I was forced to abandon the effort. The spores might need some special treatment or trigger that I am not aware of. Psilocybes and Panaeolus are much nicer in this regard.

I can give it a shot but don't get your hopes up. I can at least do a microscopy workup.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Workman]
    #7427734 - 09/19/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well good luck with that. you are spearheading the research on new psilocybe species and the unknown fungus frontier.

I hope the best man.


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Re: FOUND BLUE MYCENA! - common? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7428035 - 09/19/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for replying workman :grin:

ill send one prompt and discreet.


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Re: FOUND ACTIVE BLUE MYCENA! - common? PICS!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #20041431 - 05/26/14 04:47 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Any updates here?

I'm currently in contact with John W Allen, asked him about his experiences with M.Cyanorhizza. He had this to say:

Me: (quote from Stamet's PMOTW)
May I ask where you found these Mycena specimens?


John: The first time they were under a pine tree on a ridge leading to West Seattle.  I ate about 22 of them, and they were very short, but no one I ever met referred to a bluing Mycena as 'blue foot or blue-footed before.  The second time was from a lawn where sod was place over older mulch and the condo group where they were are had perpetual lawn care service that was constantly sprayed weekly with liquid fertilizers.,  There were only about 13 specimens and I did not feel anything more than a spin from those.  That was in the early 1970s. I have never seen any since.  New Guinea has a bluing Mycena but I heard it was poisonous.


I know of some locals of my area who consume blue-footed Mycena's, regularly. I'm sending some specimens to John for SEM analysis, going to go foraging tomorrow. While I'm at it, getting specimens of Ps. subaeruginosa, Ps. makarorae, Ps. coprophila, Ps. weraroa, Ps. altucaea  (If I can find this one >_>), Ps. semilanceata and Ps. subsecotioides.

Will keep you all updated.


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    #20041701 - 05/26/14 07:13 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I am not totally convinced that blue staining Mycenas are actually active.  Do you know of anyone who actually eats them?  How do they compare with other psilocybin mushrooms?

The blue staining Mycena in the PNW is probably Mycena amicta.  The blue staining on those is different than the blue staining on psilocin containing species - the blue is a slightly different shade, and the blue color goes away completely when the sample is dried.

I wouldn't send Mycena collections to John Allen - He isn't really a Mycena expert.  I would contact Sava on mushroomobserver.org, he might be able to do some real work on them.

I'd also be interested in studying them, and I can do some molecular work (dna analysis). 

The only person in recent times that has reported eating them is Inski.  He said that they made him feel trippy, but also made him sick.  If that's true, that would be the first report of psilocybin mushrooms with toxins also.  But he didn't save any samples and he found them in New Zealand, so it's not the same as our North American species.


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    #20042201 - 05/26/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm convinced that they are active in some regard. I am not convinced that the active chemical is Psilocybin, or Psilocin.

I know of four guys in their forties who have been consuming them for decades. I haven't tried them myself, on account of a) I don't trip anymore and b) I just don't trust it myself, lol.

However, I have seen them consume and they definitely aren't placebo-ing.

They come up within an hour, dilated pupils, euphoria, strong CEV's (equivalent to a Liberty Cap trip, in their words), facial tick, drooping of eyelids, nausea and sometimes severe anxiety. It seems to peak around the 90~ minute mark, plateau for two~ hours and then come down of an hour or so. Total experience, 4-5~ hours.

I've asked them if I could check their vitals during the trip, but being paranoid hippies they weren't keen at all.

These guys are situated in North-Western South Island, New Zealand. The Mycena they consume grows abundantly in the area- collecting specimens is not an issue.

I could send you some specimens- drop me a message. A DNA analysis would be primo- I don't have access to anything of the sort, not even a microscope lol.


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    #20042977 - 05/26/14 01:58 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if they are getting high from muscarine.  Everything fits but the closed eye visuals....


Or maybe muscarine and psilocybin. 


I'd like to get set up to do GCMS testing for various mushroom toxins, if anyone has any reference standards please let me know.


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