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RobMarley420
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Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline?
#7416464 - 09/16/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are Indians a common hallucinations while trippin on mescaline?
I was wondering because the one time I tripped on mescaline I was always seeing Indian faces in the trees off in the distance and I just started reading the book "The Electric Kool-Aide Acid Test" and there's a part in there where it says that lots of times when Ken Keesy would eat peyote he would see Indians behind his closed eye lids. I also remember a part in the move "The Doors" where Jim Morrison eats peyote and has a hallucination of some sort of Indian peyote shaman.
Are Indian visuals common with mescaline?
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: RobMarley420]
#7416484 - 09/16/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im Indian. I have always wondered why they cant change it to like INDEEANS or something.
Causes so much confusion for me. Coz theyre not from India. I am. But they are also Indians? Thats cool, I guess, theyre mah bros!
Uh...to answer your question, I dunno. Never done it. But perhaps this has something to do with your mind knowing the history of its use and projecting this?
I mean, what would someone from, say, an Australian aborigine or Himalayan hill tribe visualize on this substance?
They have no preconcieved notions and no history or contact with the "Indian" peyote shamans and no way to visualize the racial (and I use the word with the utmost caution) features of someone like this. So what would they see?
Just my 2 eggs worth.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: gmuralid]
#7417297 - 09/16/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If your mind never knew about it, you would have never seen it. Since Indians were getting high on the stuff long before anyone else it is easy to see how we make the connection nowdays.
Mass media/native american church.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: gmuralid]
#7417307 - 09/16/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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gmuralid said: Im Indian. I have always wondered why they change it to like INDEEANS or something.
Causes so much confusion for me. Coz theyre not from India. I am. But they are also Indians? Thats cool, I guess, theyre mah bros!
Uh...to answer your question, I dunno. Never done it. But perhaps this has something to do with your mind knowing the history of its use and projecting this?
I mean, what would someone from, say, an Australian aborigine or Himalayan hill tribe visualize on this substance?
They have no preconcieved notions and no history or contact with the "Indian" peyote shamans and no way to visualize the racial (and I use the word with the utmost caution) features of someone like this. So what would they see?
Just my 2 eggs worth.
This might help ya http://www.wisegeek.com/why-are-native-americans-called-indians.htm
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: StreetFreak]
#7417453 - 09/16/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i usually see like the indian's third eye while tripping on shrooms... a little similar...
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7417819 - 09/16/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The one time I ever tripped really hard on mescaline (peruvian torch) the trip began with strange Huichol like designs and mexican/american indian letters floating across the room.
If you ever look at native art from the southwest and esp. the Huichol's in mexico (peyote of course) it looks ALOT similar to mescaline visuals.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: gmuralid] 1
#7417941 - 09/16/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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gmuralid said: I mean, what would someone from, say, an Australian aborigine or Himalayan hill tribe visualize on this substance?
They would see another man with strange clothing and weird features that, to them, is indescribable. Then someone holds up a picture of a native american and they point and nod yes. Archetypes are common among psychdellics, such as jaguars and snakes with Ayahuasca. Theres no reason to think there couldn't be an indian archetype in the mescaline experience due to the strong connection of the native american's spirit to the substance.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: SDP]
#7417990 - 09/16/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Streetfreak, thanks. Im quite familiar with the nomenclature and why it is used, I was just being a dipshit. Heheh.
Thanks for the link though, gave me some new info on the whole legal status of the terms (distinction between Hawaiian and mainland Indians and such), which I never knew about. Plus I can now use that site for other dumb questions I have.
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Divided_Sky said: The one time I ever tripped really hard on mescaline (peruvian torch) the trip began with strange Huichol like designs and mexican/american indian letters floating across the room.
If you ever look at native art from the southwest and esp. the Huichol's in mexico (peyote of course) it looks ALOT similar to mescaline visuals.
I can see this happening, since the chemicals must have the same(ish) effect on everyone, and design and pattern visuals would be similar to what they saw. However, I think the post is originally about seeing the people (or single Indian person) in the visuals rather than the art, no?
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gmuralid said: I mean, what would someone from, say, an Australian aborigine or Himalayan hill tribe visualize on this substance?
They would see another man with strange clothing and weird features that, to them, is indescribable. Then someone holds up a picture of a native american and they point and nod yes. Archetypes are common among psychdellics, such as jaguars and snakes with Ayahuasca. Theres no reason to think there couldn't be an indian archetype in the mescaline experience due to the strong connection of the native american's spirit to the substance.
Very interesting.
I would really like to know more about this substance/spirit interface and how these archetypes could be projected into an interaction with a new mind. Any links or info?
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: gmuralid]
#7418096 - 09/16/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think they are seeing Indians because they are hallucinating! just my guess.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: danlennon3]
#7418131 - 09/16/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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danlennon3 said: I think they are seeing Indians because they are hallucinating! just my guess.
Interesting!...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................not...
there are reasons for hallucinations like these.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: yageman]
#7418163 - 09/16/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm inclined (with Helge) to think that Indians are what we normally associate with mescaline.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: Boots]
#7418551 - 09/17/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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my first visual effect on salvia divinorum was a zig zag navaho indian pattern that took up the whole visual field (i have no idea what tribe it really was - but an indian blanket trim it was) then a male and female indian were in the room with me.
of course people might think I am indian - skin darkish - hair darkish... personality quiet and listenning to the wind.
expectation is related to the content of visions I believe.
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RobMarley420
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: SDP]
#7419246 - 09/17/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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SDP said: Archetypes are common among psychdellics, such as jaguars and snakes with Ayahuasca. Theres no reason to think there couldn't be an indian archetype in the mescaline experience due to the strong connection of the native american's spirit to the substance.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. Elves are a common hallucination with DMT, jaguars and snakes are common hallucinations with Ayahuasca. I was wondering if Indians and Indian related things were common with mescaline.
When I was on mescaline I kept seeing Indian faces in the trees and I had closed eye visuals of things like dream catchers and Indian type head bands with feathers and metals hanging from them. The strange Huichol like designs and mexican/american indian letters floating across the room that Divided_Sky describes is also another good example of Indian hallucinations. And Ken Keesey also claimed to see Indians dancing behind his closed eye lids when he ate peyote, and Jim Morrison hallucinated an Indian Peyote Shaman when he ate peyote in the desert in the movie "The Doors"
Anyone else who has taken mescaline, what were your visuals like. Any Indian related things?
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: RobMarley420]
#7419581 - 09/17/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushrooms gave me a new appreciation for Mayan art and Mayan culture, and i never new anything of it before. mescaline has giving me a new appreciation for native american art and culture. I have also been curious as to why this is. could be our projections, as mentioned already, but i feel its something deeper.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
#7419585 - 09/17/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh and when i get wasted from drinking a few to many crown and cokes, and proceed to do stupid and irresponsible things, i gain a new appreciation to the way we in the west live.
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Re: Are Indian visuals/hallucinations common with mescaline? [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
#7420092 - 09/17/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have to add, I once took a low dose at a Hallucinogen show and found myself dancing with just a shuffle in my feet like you would see watching Southwest Indians dancing around the fire. My body felt like I was moving in the rythm of a desert shaman. I wish I knew more about what those tribes actually do, but I really felt like I was on what seemed to be a medicinal vision quest.
BTW, for the trivia Chief Bromden from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" was a product of Ken Kesey using mescaline at the Menlo Park Hospital while he was a janitor there.
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