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    #7414916 - 09/15/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was browsing erowid and after reading this i might want to try working with yopo again ...


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=64707

Anyone here have first hand experience with this? It seems really promising. Especially since I'm not too eager to experience the snuff again, Ive got enough sinus problems from allergies and that shit hurt. :banghead:


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7414972 - 09/15/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No experience and in fact it's the first time I've ever read about it. The difficulty and effects tell me to wear out the DMT experience first though. I'm far from there. Very interesting. Thanks for bringing it to light tonight.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7415890 - 09/16/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

never tried it


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7416032 - 09/16/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Never heard of it, though I've seen it offered for a while. I think I'll attempt this really soon!

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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7418766 - 09/17/07 02:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Absolutely Amazing material!!!

....the erowid extraction works well. It can take along time(days)for ammonia smell to disappear completely, if you have good beans. Be patient, you want the conversion to be complete.

Allot of bad A.C. (vilca)beans around, I have always had better luck with A.P. (yopo) beans.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: CandyLand]
    #7419544 - 09/17/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well I'm hoping all goes well, and that i have some good news to report back with.
Hey Candyland, have you done this before?
I was wondering if i could use Muriatic Acid to raise the Ph to Ph3, instead of just hydrochloric acid. My reasons being that i have plenty of Muriatic Acid at my disposal and its suppose to be the same thing right?


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7419555 - 09/17/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i found my answer

i know i know, search engine DURRRRRR:gethigh:


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #7419601 - 09/17/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hmm. how many seeds were used in that extraction?
i'd assume a good bit.
any further information?
i'm very intrigued.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7419721 - 09/17/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If you would like to make yopo snuff as good as the shamans did centuries ago than follow this guide.
The best seeds to use are Anadenanthera Peregrina because they contain less of the nauseas bufotoxin and more 5-meo-dmt and N,N,DMT. The first thing you need to do is toast the seeds. Put them in a frying pan 1 seed thick and put a low flame on. Stand next to it and put a top on it. You can also use a toaster oven and toast on medium. Once you hear a pop than you no your seeds are ready. The outer skin should be puffed out and crispy. Now de-husk all the seeds by cracking off the reddish outer skin. Put all your naked seeds in a blender or coffee grinder and blend as fine as possible. Now accumulate all your seed dust and mix in about 40% by volume of pure baking soda or edible lime paste. If you use baking soda drop enough drops of water on the mixture just enough so that it is completely wet. Then mix together the wet seed dust and baking soda, then let dry. The dry mixture should be hard and stuck together, just break it apart with the end of a lighter or an ID card. If you use lime paste let the mixture sit for a few days, this makes it burn less. Baking soda works just as well if not better than lime paste and that is what I recommend. Two lines (about 4 seeds) the thickness of pencil and the length of a lighter would be very strong. Its best to fast for at least an hour before the experience should reduce chances of purging. If you are interested in trying DMT this is the way to go. Yopo is legal everywhere, cheap, easy to prepare, and most of all really strong. If you just want a weaker trip just for a DMT taste you can smoke the seed powder, this only makes colors birghter for me.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7179169#7179169


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Coaster]
    #7419730 - 09/17/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think I could take the snuff.. :lol:
My sinuses are bad enough already. :wink:

But smoking extracted calcium bufotenate sounds like a good idea
I often felt that DMT didn't last quite long enough

:edit: anyone try this extraction?
what was the yield and how many seeds did you use?


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7419750 - 09/17/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A person on www.dmt-nexus.com did an extraction with 15 grams of cebil and got a yeild of 300mg of "pure" calcium bufotenate.

We are still waiting for a bio essay.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Salvia_Antics]
    #7419800 - 09/17/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no need to do that lengthy extraction
do it the way i outlined and ur sure to breakthru


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Coaster]
    #7419887 - 09/17/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

But the science in it, and the effort involved sound much more fun, and frankly if a drug is going to make me feel queasy, what's the point? They are supposed to be recreational. I never want to be sick, and it'd totally ruin any experience, this is why LSA no longer holds any interest for me.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Salvia_Antics]
    #7419900 - 09/17/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

damn. 300mg isn't bad at all. :grin:

i appreciate the info about the snuff, but i simply can't deal with snorting anything. or having it blown into my sinus cavities, which is how it's supposed to be done anyways.

i like doing extractions, anyhow.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7419903 - 09/17/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so ur saying ud never do ayahuasca just pharmwuasca?
and u can do LSA with pepermint oil i heard with no nausea
and r u sure the lengthy extraction elimates the nausea?
i suggest doing my method tho becuase u can go from seeds
to DMT-land in 10 minutes


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Coaster]
    #7419931 - 09/17/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i've done Aya before, and personally I'd much rather do some "pharmahuasca"
Aya doesn't taste that great at all
I can barely even get a full dose down

Aya isn't as bad as cactus tea though.
Again, I'd rather extract the mescaline than try to get down a horrible, vile, goopy tea.

In the end, it's all the same.

I find it much easier to take larger doses (and actually get them down) if it's just the alkaloid(s)

I don't mind munching on some mushrooms though (with lots of dark chocolate, of course)
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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7420356 - 09/17/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yopo and vilca are both mainly bufotenine, the lime converts it from a noxious form to a good form, that's all...dmt and 5-meo dmt are so slight in these seeds as to be not worth mentioning.

You can snort seeds, after they been converted to (maybe calcium bufotenate) with a base...pickling lime (ime) works best at this, next lime paste...not sure if baking soda does anything (never used it)...the smell of ammonia is your clue that the conversion is working.

Snorted seeds, if swallowed, can make you sick, since your stomach acid reconverts the seeds into a noxious form of bufotine.

The erowid extraction does work, and converts the seeds into a product where 10 mg. (tiny boogers worth) vaporized on tinfoil (one good hit) will give you a fully immersive visual/visonary experience without the noxious side-effects of raw bufotenine.

Vinagar can be substituted for (scary!) hcl. acid, just add till approx. 3 ph.

Also cebil seeds tend to be weak...get Anadenanthera Peregrina (yopo) seeds.

And yes...this is all coming from experience.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: CandyLand]
    #7420513 - 09/17/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Once i hear the person over at the DMT nexus's bioessay i will decide if i will do this extraction it seems rather promising.


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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: Salvia_Antics]
    #7420640 - 09/17/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Salvia_Antics said:it seems rather promising.




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Re: calcium bufotenate [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7420745 - 09/17/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Im gunna have to try this.:thumbup:


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