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weird heart problem trip!
    #7414635 - 09/15/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well a couple months ago me and a friend were tripping and we ate a little over an eighth each. im a very experienced tripper, probably had close to a hundred trips in my life. anyways back to the point we were tripping watching south park having fun and all of a sudden i had a weird uncomfortable feeling in my heart. i just let it go thinking it was just my imagination but it grew worse and i started to get worried. i told my friend it hurt and since we were tripping he started getting really worried and all. so i layed down on my bed for about 5 minutes and all of a sudden my heart got the sensation of being squeezed very very tightly. i thought i was about to die because ive never felt anything like it before. it would last a couple seconds and come back about every few minutes. this lasted for about twenty minutes and then stopped but my heart still had the uncomfortable feeling so i was still kind freaking out wondering if it was going to happen again. luckily it didnt but ever since that night ive been terrified to do shrooms again and i love them with all my heart there my favorite of all drugs. but i really wanna know what was going on before i try doing them again. if anyone has any advice or knows what was going on i would really be inspired to know. thank you for the support. much love.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414672 - 09/15/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

was there an increase in pulse or any palpitations?


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: porcupine]
    #7414693 - 09/15/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Any history of heart disease in your family?


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414705 - 09/15/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

not really i mean your heart rate rises when you take mushrooms so it just rose to where it usually does when i take shrooms and no theres no heart problems in my family whatsoever


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: porcupine]
    #7414711 - 09/15/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You should definitely get checked out for heart problems. I would find it very heard to believe that the shrooms directly caused it, but they might have triggered an inert emotion that sped up your heart rate which conflicted with a possible preexisting condition. Tell your parent or guardian (If you're still living with them) about the sensations your felt in your chest. You don't have to say anything about shrooms to anyone, not even the doctor. Just describe what you felt to them. Heart disease and general genetic heart disorders are very, VERY common in this country. If there was anything really happening in your chest that night, the doctor will be able to tell by watching what your heart is doing now, he knows what to look for. If you get a clean bill of cardiac health, then you may just chalk it up to hallucinating the whole ordeal.
And don't worry about mushrooms showing up in your system. They won't, guaranteed. Unless you give them reason to suspect, then they can order a special test to detect enzymes in the liver that are only active in the presence of psilocin.

In conclusion, please get your heart checked, you could have a latent problem.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414727 - 09/15/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for the advice and also by the way i was doing a lot of cocaine that past month so i was wondering if that would be an interaction with the whole ordeal also.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414776 - 09/15/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, cocaine can cause palpitations even after its well out of your system. Sort of like muscle memory, it just does it on its own. I would definitely be suspect of the coke use, but would still get it checked out.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414789 - 09/15/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Cocaine kills heart tissue on contact, so using it at all is a bad idea.
As someone who once let cocaine get a hold on me, I'll be the first to say, that yeah, it's incredibly bad for you.

Be safe with it, know your limits, and don't ever let a stupid little white powder get the better of you.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414817 - 09/15/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i know more than half my really good friends are letting it control their life and seeing what its doing to them its made me quit it all together its bad for the body and soul in my opinion...


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7414861 - 09/15/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It makes you feel happy, but a drug shouldn't do that for you, you should learn to do it for yourself. Drugs shouldn't be used to improve your life, just your perspective. You should improve your life on your own.

Sorry, I had to rant about that for a second.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: joekenorer]
    #7414956 - 09/15/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good to hear your opinion on the matter. Well, I think that it probably is true that the coke is doing something here and affecting the trip and your body in a negative way.

I think once you are free of it for some time, that you should have no problems, and your trips will be a little less prone to such a scary feeling.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: gmuralid]
    #7414973 - 09/15/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I always wanted to know why in the world any would try drugs like coke, meth, heroin, and "ghetto" drugs(no offense) Why not stick to the hemp, salvia, and physchedelics. There the only ones that really give you an expanded mind and/ or new perspectrive...right? Sorry if i seem like an ass.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: amatuer5352]
    #7415043 - 09/15/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

From the subject line I was all ready to talk about anxiety/panic problems but after reading the posts and having experienced both anxiety/panic and actual heart related problems I suggest you get it checked. I'm guessing it's an aggravation from your physiology and the recent coke use amplified by the shrooms. Something that will ease up with abstinence or reduction but may have an underlying root and will sooner or later resurface as well. Maybe not. Get it checked.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7415129 - 09/16/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

coke is just a short circuit for the pleasure center and meantime it jacks your sympathetic nervous system, which is a stress for the heart in general.

mostly with psychedelic, pain around the heart area is gut related, even really scary pain mostly passes with peristalsis and gas.

however.
a person can psych themselves into even worse tension from fear of heart attack which is really gas and then they could actually croak from anxiety over the heart attack which was nothing more than cramps and gas.

sit on the toilet and relax the tension.
if it really is a heart attack
do this
cough every 5 seconds, which creates a good heart massage, and call an ambulance, keep coughing and don't freak out.

we actually loose more people who have to fart, that scare themselves to death thinking it is much worse, and then they croak from the fear or an actual heart attack when really they just need to fart.

really coughing every 5 seconds will do the trick until help comes if you actually are having a heart attack, and it reduces panic.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7415227 - 09/16/07 01:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I specialize in the heart. No, not the valentine's crap type heart. I've poked, prodded, dissected, done cpr, shocked, opened up coronary arteries. I know the heart backwards and forwards.

The youngest person I have known to have a heart attack that I examined. Age 19 from mdma. Man his pupils in the ER were like saucers lol. It was reported in the news. He was like "dont do drugs or you could end up like me!!".

The next youngest was a 23 year old kid in Portland, Obese, diabetic and with congenitally small coronary artery anatomy. He was having open heart bypass surgery and I was there to assist.

I have seen MANY young people at about the age of 30 who were chronic smokers have their first heart attack. So many that I quit smoking (it was only on roadtrips but still). Smoking plus family history equals fugged up heart coronary arteries.

Here is what you should do. Talk to your primary care physcian, leave out the part about drugs b/c you dont want that on your medical insurance bureau. Just tell them the symptopms you had and how it has affected your life, be it curtailing activities such as going to the gym (which you should be getting an hour/six days a week for maximum heart health) and that you need to know.

Inisist on some sort of stress testing with imaging. Cheapest is stress echocardiogram, then there are nuclear test about 3 x as expensive and about 20 x more expensive is an angiogram which is the gold standard. Where they insert a catheter up your femoral artery which is flexible and run it directly into the arteries of your heart. Injuect iodine and then take an xray digital movie of the filling up of the vessels. Any narrowings can be seen well.

Thing is, not much can be done with it except knowing it. You can stent it, depending. But really you treat it with medicine. Going on lipitor or a stating. BTW, there are four drugs that prevent heart attacks.
So if you fail a stress test, you damn sure should be on those four meds.

Look, as you can see, you can get as complicated as you want, it may be merely a bad trip. And shrooms have a way of playing tricks on one's mind.

But now that you are worried go get checked out. A basic stress test simply takes the heart out for a "test drive". If you give it gas and it goes mwahhh, instead of wawwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Then, you may have a clog in your fuel lines.

As you go from 20 to 30 to 40 to 50 and beyond, the growths in the arteries get larger.
Also, which doesnt sound like you> There are electrical disturbances as well such as Long Qt syndrome, which can kill in an instant. Add cocaine and it's deadly, even cold medicine.

Also, cocaine does not kill heart tissue instantly, that simply is not true. But it does SIGNIFICANTLY spasm the coronary arteries. Meaning, a small administration of cocaine will cause a spasm limiing bloodflow, meaning the muscle downstream gets irritated and can cause an irregular deadly heart rhythm.
THis is moreso true for people who have preexisting growths or obstructions in their coronary arteries.

So dont do cocaine.

Mushrooms are benign in comparison. Get a stress test and talk to your physician, leave out the drug use part b/c if you ever have to sue or dispute insurance or a car accident. They'll pull up that information and all your medical records and the attorneys on the other side have full access to it, if you use medical insurance.

So be smart. Relay the complaint, leave out the benighn mushroom thing. Which, you did not give age, history or anything actually useful to comment on your risk factor.
But you can look it up yourself under the Framingham study and calclute your score as far as how you fare on whether you have a high, medium or low risk of having a fatal cardiac event in the next five years.

Peace, hope that helps.

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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: jamesb]
    #7415282 - 09/16/07 01:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You either just dazzled me with brilliance or baffled me with bullshit. I'm pasting that in a folder somewhere . . . wheres my paste?


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: joekenorer]
    #7415605 - 09/16/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

james b
gorgeous info
very useful
you probably just saved 50 people
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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7415634 - 09/16/07 06:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever had acid reflux?

The shrooms are known to cause digestive problems... bad acid reflux can feel like a pretty severe heart spasm sometimes... and trippin I would imagine would make this pretty unbearable.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: SDP]
    #7415642 - 09/16/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I always got bad indigestion and acid reflux after eating fresh cubes, but when I eat them dried I don't. I think it's the sheer quantity of fungal moisture in a fresh shroom that fucks up your digestive system.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: joekenorer]
    #7415650 - 09/16/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for dragging that subject off topic, just wanted to say it.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: joekenorer]
    #7415898 - 09/16/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

coke makes holes in your heart


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: SDP]
    #7416055 - 09/16/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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SDP said:
Have you ever had acid reflux?

The shrooms are known to cause digestive problems... bad acid reflux can feel like a pretty severe heart spasm sometimes... and trippin I would imagine would make this pretty unbearable.




Thanks Redgreenvines,

SDP is right, something I forgot to mention. The number one cause of chest pain is the gizzard. Meaning esophageal reflux or acronym GERD. Many people get it when they lie down b/c there is a little valve that prevents stomach content which has acid in it from going back up into the esophagus and irritating it. It works best with gravity so some people pot cinder blocks under the head of their bed to add a little bit of tilt when they go bed.
Also, a person can take a proton pump inhibitor such as prilosec to see if it goes away. It used to be prescription only but priolosec is over the counter now. (a bit pricey) or nexium by prescription.


The problem is, that people who have gotten an esophageal spasm and also had a heart attack say they couldnt tell the difference.
No one has ever died of from a gizzard attack, but people do die from heart disease.
So, prudent would be a stress test. Unless your like 18 where it would be extremely rare to have blocked heart arteries.

Risk factors, family history, age, smoking, diabetes, high blood pressure and abnormal blood work (cholesterol and triglycerides).
Cant really give you too much advice via the internet.
Hope that helps.
Try a prilosec an hour before you eat something that causes the discomfort, if it goes away then you can at least to some degree be reassured, especially if you are young with no risk factors, that it isnt coming from your heart.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: jamesb]
    #7416655 - 09/16/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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jamesb said:
Quote:

SDP said:
Have you ever had acid reflux?

The shrooms are known to cause digestive problems... bad acid reflux can feel like a pretty severe heart spasm sometimes... and trippin I would imagine would make this pretty unbearable.




Thanks Redgreenvines,

SDP is right, something I forgot to mention. The number one cause of chest pain is the gizzard. Meaning esophageal reflux or acronym GERD. Many people get it when they lie down b/c there is a little valve that prevents stomach content which has acid in it from going back up into the esophagus and irritating it. It works best with gravity so some people pot cinder blocks under the head of their bed to add a little bit of tilt when they go bed.
Also, a person can take a proton pump inhibitor such as prilosec to see if it goes away. It used to be prescription only but priolosec is over the counter now. (a bit pricey) or nexium by prescription.


The problem is, that people who have gotten an esophageal spasm and also had a heart attack say they couldnt tell the difference.
No one has ever died of from a gizzard attack, but people do die from heart disease.
So, prudent would be a stress test. Unless your like 18 where it would be extremely rare to have blocked heart arteries.

Risk factors, family history, age, smoking, diabetes, high blood pressure and abnormal blood work (cholesterol and triglycerides).
Cant really give you too much advice via the internet.
Hope that helps.
Try a prilosec an hour before you eat something that causes the discomfort, if it goes away then you can at least to some degree be reassured, especially if you are young with no risk factors, that it isnt coming from your heart.




yea my heart did feel weird for awhile and as soon as i layed down literally a minute after is when i felt the tightening sensation. also a lot of my friends were concerned it was acid reflux and btw im 17 no heart problems in my family and i do smoke ocasionally because i am on probation, but i use to smoke very heavily.


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: headringing]
    #7416803 - 09/16/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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headringing said:
Quote:

jamesb said:
Quote:

SDP said:
Have you ever had acid reflux?

The shrooms are known to cause digestive problems... bad acid reflux can feel like a pretty severe heart spasm sometimes... and trippin I would imagine would make this pretty unbearable.




Thanks Redgreenvines,

SDP is right, something I forgot to mention. The number one cause of chest pain is the gizzard. Meaning esophageal reflux or acronym GERD. Many people get it when they lie down b/c there is a little valve that prevents stomach content which has acid in it from going back up into the esophagus and irritating it. It works best with gravity so some people pot cinder blocks under the head of their bed to add a little bit of tilt when they go bed.
Also, a person can take a proton pump inhibitor such as prilosec to see if it goes away. It used to be prescription only but priolosec is over the counter now. (a bit pricey) or nexium by prescription.


The problem is, that people who have gotten an esophageal spasm and also had a heart attack say they couldnt tell the difference.
No one has ever died of from a gizzard attack, but people do die from heart disease.
So, prudent would be a stress test. Unless your like 18 where it would be extremely rare to have blocked heart arteries.

Risk factors, family history, age, smoking, diabetes, high blood pressure and abnormal blood work (cholesterol and triglycerides).
Cant really give you too much advice via the internet.
Hope that helps.
Try a prilosec an hour before you eat something that causes the discomfort, if it goes away then you can at least to some degree be reassured, especially if you are young with no risk factors, that it isnt coming from your heart.




yea my heart did feel weird for awhile and as soon as i layed down literally a minute after is when i felt the tightening sensation. also a lot of my friends were concerned it was acid reflux and btw im 17 no heart problems in my family and i do smoke ocasionally because i am on probation, but i use to smoke very heavily.




Then, and this may reassure you, if you are thin and do not have diabetes and no history of sudden cardian death in your family.
Then it is about 1/100,000th that is a problem with the plumbing of your heart.
I mean statistically very unlikely, I mean you could always win the lottery you never wanted to win.
But it is sooooo unlikely at your age.

We know, from autopsies of vietnam kids about your age who were killed in combat. That the beginnings of growth or plaques in the coronary arteries begins before your age. They found them upon autopsy. Young men with the beginnings of heart disease.
Over years to decades, it advances, it's like the shittiest slow growing mycellium you can think of.

If I can offer any advice to you, do not smoke, that really piles on the crap inside the lining of the arteries.
The other stuff.

Lets say you do not smoke, like alot of the kids killed in vietnam. Why would they have the beginnings of athersclerotic heart disease?

It's b/c of the North American Diet. Of.... processed foods. breads, sugars, soda, pasta. Anything that breaks down the cellular walls and allows the cytoplasm to be absorbed quickly.
Which, raises blood sugars, which, unfortunately raises insulin.

We have done tests on dogs where we inject insulin into the leg artery over months. It virtually creates the atherosclerotic disease process. So insulin is a killer and is more important a predictor of heart attacks than blood cholesterol.

So cheesy poofs or a pepsi or whatever, especially combined with smoking. Well, it's how you grow plaques in the coronary arteries which lead to heart attacks.
IF I was to take a person and want to induce heart disease. I would give them tobacco (smoked only, chew does not do anything to your heart) and give them a diet heavy in processed foods.
If I REALLY want to end their life soon. I would give them daily injections of insulin on top of that. (like a diabetic person has to take).

When we have done angiograms of people with heart disease with ischemia, we find a blockage here or there that restricts flow. When we do a diabetic with angina. What we find is the tubes, the fuel lines of the heart, looks like someone sprayed shit the whole length of the tubes. That is the effect of insulin. (insulin is released from eating processed foods, like bread and pasta and soda). Not to mention it causes type two diabetes.

So beyond that. What you want to do is limit your risk factors if you are concerned about your heart. Throw away the smokes. If you can't say no for yourself. Go to a physician and get a 12 week prescription for Chantix. It will stop cravings cold. A miracle anti-smoking drug that I have talked to several patients, redneck patients, who just rave about it.
Then, limit all processed foods and really fatty foods. In fact, from a cardiovascular standpoint, bread and pastas and sodas are worse than fats. Carbs raise triglycerides. Fill your diet with fresh foods and vegetables and lean meats.
Limit fruit juices, they are virtually as bad as coca-cola with a little more vitamins.

If you trip, take a prilosec availabe from a local drug store an hour beforehand.
Eat some ginger for nausea.
It's a funny thing about the thoracic cavity. If I was to take a ballpeen hammer out and hit one of your toes. You could damn well tell me which toe it was.
Not so with the thoracic cavity which houses your heart and gizzard, the wiring is messed up and individual. If I was to reach inside with a needle-nosed pliers and pinch something between your heart or near your swallower. You may, depending on how you are wired. Feel it in your arms, your chin, the back of your neck, you may feel an upset stomach. It's so random. I had a woman who was having a heart attack who came in complaining that it felt like she was having a beesting in her ear.
That was the strangest. But it goes to prove that NO sensation in the thoracic cavity can be attributed to any particular organ or structuve. Ever.
So it must be ruled out with a logical history and algorhythmic thinking process.

I would lay money it's reflux with you. Like I said, prilosec, try it No prescription needed. take it an hour or two before you consume anything.
I bet you will never have to worry about this again after this thread


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Re: weird heart problem trip! [Re: mushyflushy]
    #7417587 - 09/16/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wow thanks a lot for the info greatly appreciated and ill definately try prilosec next time i trip this reassures me a lot because i really love tripping its opened many new doors for me and i would like to open more so thank you again for the advice. much love.


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