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Horse_Meister
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Oyster Mushroom Marketability
#7414088 - 09/15/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am looking for expert advice and perhaps general advice as well.
I ran into a few restauants which are not chain names and have the ability to modify their menus on the fly. I gave them each a sample of my oyster fruitings. Sometime next week when the chef's have time, I am to contact then and talk money. I am wondering if anyone here has had history selling to restaurants and can offer advice as far as how to rake in the largest penny per pound. I am working with Florida Oysters at the moment.
I am thinking that the fact that these mushrooms are fresher than what people purchase directly in store should bring up the value of them. In CAD dollars, what would you charge per pound to a fancy restaurant? At how many pounds would you offer a discount? (and how much of a discount)
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Horse_Meister]
#7414497 - 09/15/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would offer your mushrooms in 3, 5, and 10 lb boxes, making each larger box cheaper per pound by a few cents. This is because the box costs the same, but if you sell more mushrooms per box it is cheaper for you. Right now the USDA is saying average U.S. prices are around 2.75-3. This much is industry standard. That is about as far as standards will take you. Those prices are average. It means mushrooms trade hands for far less as well as a lot more. The rest is up to you. Figure out what the costs are to deliver the product to the buyer and figure out how much you want to make out of it.
That being said, there are people here who have received $8-$12/lb for oyster mushrooms. I have also met farmers who have accidentally flooded the market - and couldn't get a single $1/lb.
Sorry, I don't know anything about the Canadian market except vague generalizations. Because the U.S. dollar is weak, Canadian goods and services are relatively expensive - to Americans.
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7414569 - 09/15/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regular Oyster mushrooms (greys) for $5USD a pound, and Eringii for $9USD
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7414723 - 09/15/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depend how much mush you want to sale but restaurant's markets are the most unstable markets, you could get losses.
Example for a very little scale for starting(+- 40 restaurants):
This week you got 200 Pds for this market and they ask you for 220 Pds. Its fine you sold everything and you can make arrangements for what's missing. Next week new menus. They want to buy for only 50 Pds. What are you going to do with the 150 Pds left. You got short time to find the answer because shrooms have short good quality life, specialy oysters. And the other week after, you still have to have the shrooms for the needs in case they want more, if you don't you could loose this market. Its hard to built a good market but easy to loose it.
Now imagine the problem for a bigger scale.
In my case the answer was transforming the excess of shrooms. Parallelely I had to built another market who will consume those transformed shrooms. I can store them between 3 months to 1 year. As I grow mush only seasonly its streching the season.
Hoping its giving you a picture of that type of markets, whishing you good luck.
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: micololo2]
#7416391 - 09/16/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you tranform the mushrooms?
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Semilanceata]
#7416617 - 09/16/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he means dry the mushrooms.
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7417394 - 09/16/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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More in sauces, soups ...
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: micololo2]
#7418184 - 09/16/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dry my excess mushrooms. But you cant get as much for dry as fresh.
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Cryogenicz]
#7418903 - 09/17/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The market for dried mushrooms is overloaded. Prices are low and the demand too. For me, for the quantity I have its not a solution. I found that mushroom sauces-soups is a very open, easy saler and profitable market.
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Cryogenicz]
#7420241 - 09/17/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you grow your eryngii on? straw or wood?
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7420604 - 09/17/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Decide what you want to do and stick to it. Research, you will eventually get to where you want to be.
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7428909 - 09/19/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"What do you grow your eryngii on? straw or wood?"
Sawdust (maybe add some nutrients)
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Horse_Meister]
#7429177 - 09/19/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool. I'm growing my eryngii on straw. I found a spawn supplier in Ohio called Mushroom Harvest. You should check them out if you need any type of spawn. They sell grain masters and allow you to expand them unlike many other spawn suppliers. I'm placing an order soon. I'm going to fill my first growroom with straw inoculated at 10-15% w/ grainspawn. I'm going to fill my 2nd growroom with 10/10 grain and sawdust. I am only going to run one flush so I expect an ultra low BE of 45-60%. Thats okay because straw is so cheap to buy and process. One flush is more productive per sq ft than running two flushes. I'm probably also going to be using Spawnmate PG Natural if it isn't too expensive.
I'm not expecting a huge problem with the lower nutrition of straw, mostly because Phillips grows their eryngii on cottonseed hulls instead of sawdust. Cottonseed hulls are actually less nutritious than straw, so as long as I supplement, my yield will be acceptable. BE has a direct relationship with Cost of Goods Sold (COGS). I would rather lower COGS than raise BE at extra expense and opportunity cost.
I honestly and completely believe that Eryngii is the new brown, the new shiitake. With the right people growing and marketing, eryngii will not be a "specialty" mushroom in 5 years. I think the volume of eryngii will beat out shiitake in a number of years, because the constitution of eryngii is simply better than shiitake. Eryngiis last under refridgeration as long as button mushrooms, much longer than ostreatus, shiitake, enoki, beech, maitake...
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7429192 - 09/19/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please define BE. Also, do you have a small amount of spawn available for trade?
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Horse_Meister]
#7429198 - 09/19/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Biological efficiency; ie, 40lbs fresh mushrooms from 40lbs dry straw equals 100% BE.
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Horse_Meister
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: YidakiMan]
#7429551 - 09/19/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If anyone is curious:
Regular Oysters: $12.75 / 2Lbs - $6.37/Lb King Oyster: $29.50 /2Lbs - $14.75/Lb
in Ontario, and sometimes they come in looking like garbage. An easy market to hit and you should be able to charge the same prices as those larger companies because you're providing fresh product.
Looks like I have a few orders to fill
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Horse_Meister]
#7455936 - 09/26/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who is your market? Restaurants?
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: Horse_Meister]
#7456508 - 09/26/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Horse_Meister said:
Looks like I have a few orders to fill
comgratulations!! good luck with sales !
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: greys]
#7456623 - 09/26/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with the one flush and out method with straw. These aren't eryngii, but oysters do very well on straw, often approaching 200% BE. RR
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Re: Oyster Mushroom Marketability [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7456656 - 09/26/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats cool. My spawn supplier told me it would be wise to offer a variety of mushrooms, instead of just one type. I'm kind of tied up deciding what else to offer. Chances are it'll be brown, yellow, or blue or elm oysters. One flush and out, on the same trays as the eryngii.
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