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scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm?
    #7414039 - 09/15/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so ive read a few places that shrooms don't do any physical damage to your body but i haven't actually seen any proof just a bunch of people expecting me to believe them...I don't doubt that they don't do harm i just want to be sure, does anyone know of something that can prove to me shrooms aren't bad for you?


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7414098 - 09/15/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well the thing about psilocybin is that what it actually does isn't very well understood. what people do know is that there haven't been any hard facts to point that it damages your brain.

it acts on receptors in your brain and allows serotonin more time to act in the synapse. this action doesn't point to any physical harm being done to said serotonin or the neurons themselves.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Seventy]
    #7414202 - 09/15/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

every drug is capable of doing physical harm, one somewhat common side affect mushrooms can have on the brain is hppd. that is probably the only thing you really need to worry about, that and other psychological problems. although, there have also been case reports of paralysis, seizures and stomach problems from mushroom use.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: porcupine]
    #7414876 - 09/15/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, if you look, you'll find that nobody has ever physically OD'd by eating mushrooms-- it would take eating so many (like as in, your body weight's worth) to kill you.

http://ridgelawrence.com/2007/03/26/drugs-and-toxicity-information/

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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: coAsTal]
    #7414899 - 09/15/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Or if you are old and have high blood pressure you could die from eating 7 grams or much less even.

Anxiety can kill and so can shrooms.

Anyone who disputes this claim is a moron.

Thats why you dont dose grandma.

The way your brain is working can kill you and so can shrooms.

Take what I say in context please.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: coAsTal]
    #7414903 - 09/15/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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coAsTal said:
Actually, if you look, you'll find that nobody has ever physically OD'd by eating mushrooms-- it would take eating so many (like as in, your body weight's worth) to kill you.

http://ridgelawrence.com/2007/03/26/drugs-and-toxicity-information/

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read, learn.

Your just talking.

Lets take a more holistic approach to the actual question.

Aside from what it can do to you psychosomatically, its as safe as can be.

Young people dont have to worry about this for the most part.

They are the safest drugs out there.

Still, they can kill you via psychosomatic reactions.
This goes for those people who have very bad health and especially people with bad health who are prone to so called "mental illness". Namely, "Illnesses" that provolk occasional or frequent anxiety.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/07 11:05 PM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7414932 - 09/15/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ODing on psychedelic mushrooms is like ODing on bread. I'm sure that if I went ahead and ate 200 pounds of bread, I'd die.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Feanor]
    #7414952 - 09/15/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha so true, so true.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Feanor]
    #7415004 - 09/15/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Has bread ever given you anxiety?
Has it ever raised your heart rate even without marked anxiety?

Do you have any idea what was talking about?

And yes if you managed to eat 200 pounds of bread you would die.

Does that have ANYTHING to do with what im saying?

No, it doesnt.

I have had to turn my own father away from my endless stash of homegrowns before, because I knew about his physical condition(s).
I gave him what he has used safely before, but other than that he would need to find some other person if he wanted to up the dose.
I wont be responsible for my dads death. He is the kind of person who (health wise) is in a very bad position if he were to have a strong anxiety attack that he could hardly control.

Just my 3 cents.

A young body can take just about any amount and atleast the body would survive.

Im just being real here people.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/07 11:32 PM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7415017 - 09/15/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was just joking around, Yage! I know what you were talking about, bro!

Alas, no, bread has never given me anxiety before!


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Feanor]
    #7415029 - 09/15/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So ya, bread can kill and so can mushrooms.

I get the joke.

You have to admit that your joke is just bad info if taken seriously.
Bad info, like the guy who gave you a "word up!".

I get the joke though, and its ok with me.
Just figured id drop in a few lines.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/07 11:40 PM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7415859 - 09/16/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hmm no one wants to be syd barret with schizophrenia due to LSD


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: mushyflushy]
    #7415923 - 09/16/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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hmm no one wants to be syd barret with schizophrenia due to LSD




Actually, some will argue that the LSD didn't CAUSE his schizophrenic breakdown, but merely brought out a previous mental condition.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7416002 - 09/16/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

High blood pressure + shrooms = bad combo?

I'm only 19 but I THINK I have a bit higher blood pressure than normal. Would it be a risk for me consuming shrooms?


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: illerrre]
    #7416160 - 09/16/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

*sigh*
It's safer than aspirin.
Anyone talking out of their ass should just back it up with evidence of mushroom induced deaths.
People have panic attacks all the time, I dont hear of them dropping dead from them.

Increased pressure in the arterial system is a long slow killer. It exerts a mechanical sheer force against the walls of the arteries. Over time, generally decades, it can change the elasticity of the arteries making them brittle. More easy to hemorhage or crack which can lead to bleeding or clotting.
It takes several years for this effect to happen. Having blood pressure over 135/85 for a long period increases a person's risk of a heart attack by three.
That is why it should be controlled and followed. With exercise, the normal response of blood pressure is the systolic to go up and the dialostic (bottom number) to go down.

SO with exercise we see a very large *normal* increase in blood pressure. Let's say a 130/80, then becomes 200/60. Is that bad for someone running for an hour. Nope, that's NOT the way it works a starting systolic pressure before exercise of 190 can easily become 260 with exercise, that is where problems might occur rarely.
Weightlifters routinely put strain and put their blood pressure well into the 300 plus range. Again, no problems.

An increase in adrenaline presumably from a bit of a freak out, is short lived action and clears quickly. Fight or flight chemical.

Where does that leave psylocybin, in terms of acute toxicity, a very very low risk from incident reports. The deaths that have come from mushrooms have been typically accidental due to impaired judgement.
Psylocybin acts as a neurotransmitter, chaning brain activity. It does not change heart activity directly. If having anxiety is deadly, then lets all not give a public speech or go to that haunted house, we may drop dead of a psychosomatic reaction.
"dude, I heard four kids went into the house, they found them the next day, ghost white from fright, their hair even turned white" wooooooo

The scientific evidence of mushroom safety is the LACK of evidence reported given the millions of people who have used them. There are statistics of ER visits, but again, they just need a valium and a better setting than they were in to calm down.

I challenge anyone to show where someone died of fright during a mushroom trip lol


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7416189 - 09/16/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I heard of a kid who ened up in a hospital, cause he was shrooming and thaught he could fly. So he jumped off his fifth story balcony and broke his bones.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: jamesb]
    #7416262 - 09/16/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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jamesb said:

I challenge anyone to show where someone died of fright during a mushroom trip lol




Well, If you have a heart condition then you could get a heart attack from anxiety. Thats what is being said. So saying it's safer than asprin is misleading.

So yes shrooms could kill you, depending on the you of course.

Its not a big deal for healthy young people, but it is just as misleading to say that shrooms are perfectly safe as it is to say they make your brain bleed. Both statements aren't true (to my knowledge of course).


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(referring to the post directly above)

Oh they are also dangerous if your a moron.


Edited by JstHereFrTheCake (09/16/07 11:11 AM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7416286 - 09/16/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was once told doing mushrooms often can be bad for your stomach as it is kind of an indigestion ... Is it true ?

I did shrooms at least 1 time each week during 3 weeks and some of my druggies friends told me he won't do it again and I shouldn't do it again for a month as it can be bad, I decided to stop to renew the experience later and also to learn about physical reaction to shrooms ...


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: LiFe_Trip]
    #7416476 - 09/16/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

why isnt anyone paying attention to my post? there are case reports of people having seizures on mushrooms as well as paralysis. most of these people recovered completely. but anything that might cause seizures or paralysis is hardly perfectly safe and comparing them to aspirin is just stupid, as they are completely different things.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #7416876 - 09/16/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

jamesb said:

I challenge anyone to show where someone died of fright during a mushroom trip lol




Well, If you have a heart condition then you could get a heart attack from anxiety. Thats what is being said. So saying it's safer than asprin is misleading.

So yes shrooms could kill you, depending on the you of course.

Its not a big deal for healthy young people, but it is just as misleading to say that shrooms are perfectly safe as it is to say they make your brain bleed. Both statements aren't true (to my knowledge of course).


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(referring to the post directly above)

Oh they are also dangerous if your a moron.




If someone has a heart condition, then anything may cause a heart attack. If you think that is logical or scientific. Let me fill you in one fact, I am cardiology fellow and I train third year med students.
The risk of day to day operations with or without mushrooms always causes stress and anxiety and anything CAN cause a heart attack with your logic.
What is the current theory about WHY, as I mentioned in another post, there are FOUR medications that prevent heart attacks and we prescribe. One of which is a beta-blocker, atenolol, metorolol .... any drug that ends with the suffix -olol.

These block adrenalin receptors throughout the body, beta receptors are in the ovaries, brain, heart, lungs everywhere. It's the doorlock that adrenaline opens to stimulate things when people have an adrenaline rush.

So if someone had a pre-existing heart problem, they would be an idiot not to be on a beta-blocker, again, one of the FOUR drugs that prevent heart attacks.

What is the mechanism? Answer that?

I'll do it for you as I do not think anyone who is talking out of their ass making shit up can do it. So the current theory of all the academics and researchers is that it prevents a blood pressure "surge". In nearly everyone over the age of 18 that eats the North American diet. They have small growths in their arteries. MOST heart attacks actually come from small growths, not advanced heart disease developed slowly(calcium stabilized the plaques).

So these plaques or fatty deposits have the consistency of WHAT?>>> toothpaste.
If you have a blood pressure surge, it can strip away the friable out coating of the plaque.
This releases in the body chemical messengers that say "Help me, I am bleeding" The exact same message when you cut your finger, what happens platelets and other clotters come and stop the bleeding cut and you get a scab.
That's all well and good, but getting a scab in your coronary arteries is what causes a heart attack as it prevents blood flow to the muscle of the heart, dies of hypoxia and lack of waste product removal.

But it is WHOLLY retarded to worry about that disease process while shrooming.
I mean seriously retarded and to promulgate stress induced heart attacks on shrooms is fucking retarded. I have never seen in amy case literature. A stress induced heart attack due to shroom ingestion.

The above process occurs without use of drugs or alcohol in nearly every case. The what-if possibility and speculation is just bullshit and all you do it lay seeds for others to have a bad trip.

You arguments are garbage and juvenile urban legend crap. It's as if you have zero formal education in medicine. Zero and yet you distribute your ideas as if you are an expert. Which, hello, I am one and you guys are full of shit.

Shrooms are not physically dangerous, period, end of story! They are psychologically dangerous if you choose to drive, fly off a cliff, or walk into a rednecks home unannounced.
But, this "oh lawdy, you might die of a heart attack" shit has just got to stop. It's a lie and you have zero evidence or reasoning to say it is possible. Sure a heart attack is possible, ask my last 1000 thousand cardiac patients. None of them reported they were tripping on shrooms.
Seriously, stop trying to spin people up with this garbage, they recall it in the middle of their trips. Not cool, not cool at all


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: porcupine]
    #7416903 - 09/16/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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why isnt anyone paying attention to my post? there are case reports of people having seizures on mushrooms as well as paralysis. most of these people recovered completely. but anything that might cause seizures or paralysis is hardly perfectly safe and comparing them to aspirin is just stupid, as they are completely different things.




People die from aspirin, people do not die from shrooms. In what you report, you are citing seizure of which full recovery happened.

So one kills people, the other does not and you admit it. Seizures happen, I think that is a bumpersticker of some sort. AGAIN, with complete recovery.
Death from bleeding on aspirin does not compare to a complete recovery from a seizure. Of which, a percentage of the population has without shrooms and whom may also ingest shrooms.

So, comparing the safety and death record and medical costs if hospitalized from shrooms to aspirin is stupid. Call me stupid. That is how you compare things on a level that makes sense. Millions of peole take aspirin, millions of people take mushrooms.
One group dies at this fractional percentage amount due to bleeding. The other dies at an even tinier amount from being an accident due to intoxication. Of which occurs at a fraction per population of usage as alcohol.

This absolutely safe bullshit straw man argument is as equally retarded as the psychosomatic heart attack crap. An equal an more valid argument can be made about simply walking out the door of your house moron! Or god forbid, getting into a motor vehicle.

Statistically, shrooms are benign. Deal with it people, just deal with it and if you want to spread urban legends, take some shrooms and learn to fly off a building. A mind is a terrible thing to waste unless of course you try and spread urban mythology


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: jamesb]
    #7417172 - 09/16/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

comparing them to aspirin is stupid because they're apples and oranges. saying mushrooms are safer than aspirin because people die from aspirin and people dont die from mushrooms would be like saying substance x which causes blindness in 100% of people who take it is safer than aspirin because aspirin has killed thousands of people, whereas substance x hasn't caused a single death or hospitalization (although it has blinded a lot of people).

statistically mushrooms appear to be very physically safe but there have been reports of people having seizures and paralysis. there are reports on erowid of people becoming paralyzed on normal doses, i've personally seen a friend become paralyzed on 1.5 grams, we had to carry him home.

as for ODing, here is an experience someone posted on bluelight:

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I'm going to stand up here and say that high doses of mushrooms are dangerous, physically.

When I took my largest dose (25 - 30g dry), I ended up paralyzed for roughly a full 24 hours. Now the scary thing was that my mouth/facial muscles were also affected, so I had to be put on IV hydration and nutrition at the hospital for 2 days because I couldn't drink or eat... something that could be potentially life threatening if I didn't have those nice doctors helping me out.

Oh, I also instantaneously developed full blown OCD after this trip too Yay!




http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=169738&page=2&highlight=shrooms


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7417213 - 09/16/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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yageman said:
I have had to turn my own father away from my endless stash of homegrowns before, because I knew about his physical condition(s).





dmn O.o. i mean aside from keeping my Dad safe that would be hard for me


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7417559 - 09/16/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

let me tell you something very important friend. moderation. you need to have balance and moderation in everything that you do. if you use mushrooms responsibly, intelligently, and in moderation you will be fine. doing mushrooms everyday is a bad idea, but so is eating Mc Donalds everyday. be safe, be smart, and you will never have any problems. happy tripping


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: XZzyXyzZX]
    #9830028 - 02/19/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I think your missing the point apples and oranges guy. "that would be like saying x is safer than y because y kills people and x makes you blind." UHHH HELLO. that DOES make x safer than y idiot. Im sorry but james is right on fucking point and im no professional but I don't lack the common sense that is required to see that most of you in here are coming up with whatever variables you can, whether they negate the truth or not, just so you can pretend to have a point. Going off on a whole different tangent just because you are too proud to be proven wrong. thats like saying green beans actually ARE harmful because one guy had an allergic reaction. so fucking what. accept defeat.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: toxic_advocate]
    #9830093 - 02/19/09 10:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes psychoactives can elicit underlying psychological conditions.

They can also cause increase anxiety, which can cause PTSD or even stress causing bodily problems.

However mushrooms themselves are not toxic, unlike Alcohol, cigarettes, speed, mdma etc... And they will not poison the body.

I have heard it suggested that mushrooms are about as taxing on the liver as a beer or two, I don't have evidence of this, but would believe it, as I have noticed that I can feel if something is taxing on my system - Think of Dr. Weil's maxim - Listen to your body!

Many folks find mushrooms and other botanicals benefits to outweigh the risks, but proper info is a must!!!

With mushrooms, you're more likely to have a problem, if you pick the wrong kind, get too 'brave', don't use a scale (use dosage calculator!),( start low!)

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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #9831514 - 02/20/09 03:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Beta blockers, surely. That's what I take to stop my heart rate hitting the roof.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: jamesb]
    #9831574 - 02/20/09 04:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Don't kid yourselves folks.  Psychedelics aren't exactly "safe".  Thats why we're so cautious about set/setting, dose, ability to "handle it" etc.  Used properly they can be very safe, enlightening, mystical or just plain fun.  But to the uninformed there is a very real risk of physical harm not caused directly by the drugs but due to the person hurting themselves in some way.

IME users of marijuana, mushrooms, lsd etc are always looking for evidence that their drug is safe.  Its like they enjoy their substance so much that they're in denial

I think its irresponcible to assume there is no danger.  If there was no danger we could all just dose our nuts off and drive around fast!  Forget about measuring your dose take whatever, wherever...  obviously with psychedelics we must take precautions to avoid the "dangers"


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: badstart]
    #9831601 - 02/20/09 04:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

We're talking about physical effects here. Effects that even responsible use is not immune to.  We're assuming that most people using these drugs know what the fuck they're doing.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Innoculus]
    #9831910 - 02/20/09 07:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't know that about the paralysis thing.  I had heard of it in woodlovers, but I do think it's kind of obvious that you will start to see some very detrimental effects at such a high dose as over 20 grams dry.  At the SAFE doses, there is very little risk, unless you are predisposed to mental or physical conditions.  It's like the sign that they have before you ride a roller coaster that warns people with heart conditions or back problems to not go on.  It's dangerous for some, but for the large majority, there's very little risk.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: libertaire]
    #9831956 - 02/20/09 08:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I have scientific proof that shrooms are harmless.

ME!

I'm still alive.


500 plus trips under my belt (all psilocin) in less than a couple years.

That was a few years back now, and can attest that if it were possible to die from cubies, i would be VEEEERY dead, long ago.



Although seriously speaking, i may have liver problems now.  So maybe i didnt die whilst trippin, but some affliction like liver failure due to abuse may get me in the end.  Be careful folks.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: libertaire]
    #9831957 - 02/20/09 08:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people keep digging up ancient threads? Is TPE practicing necromancy behind my back?


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9832057 - 02/20/09 08:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Kill it!


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Innoculus]
    #9832105 - 02/20/09 09:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This might be off topic:Psilocybin has a fairly high LD50, signifying rather low toxicity--less than half that of caffeine when administered intravenously in rats. Death from psilocybin intake alone is unknown at most recreational or medicinal levels.
This has to do with death not brain damage,but I would think that if you drink Coke products all day everyday it might be physically worse on your body than taking mushrooms once a month.I dont know I just though I might throw that idea out there.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: DNBplus]
    #9835345 - 02/20/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Just because something has a high lethal dose doesn't mean it isn't still harmful to you.  I'm not saying psilocin is harmful in anyway, I'm just saying that no one has any (legitimate) idea.  Some of the detrimental effects listed above, paralysis etc, are not things to be brushed off.  That's not to say that I'm against the use of the compound, but people should at least know the risks and do what they can to prevent them.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: libertaire]
    #9835524 - 02/20/09 08:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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