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Offlinejamesb
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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: porcupine]
    #7416903 - 09/16/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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porcupine said:
why isnt anyone paying attention to my post? there are case reports of people having seizures on mushrooms as well as paralysis. most of these people recovered completely. but anything that might cause seizures or paralysis is hardly perfectly safe and comparing them to aspirin is just stupid, as they are completely different things.




People die from aspirin, people do not die from shrooms. In what you report, you are citing seizure of which full recovery happened.

So one kills people, the other does not and you admit it. Seizures happen, I think that is a bumpersticker of some sort. AGAIN, with complete recovery.
Death from bleeding on aspirin does not compare to a complete recovery from a seizure. Of which, a percentage of the population has without shrooms and whom may also ingest shrooms.

So, comparing the safety and death record and medical costs if hospitalized from shrooms to aspirin is stupid. Call me stupid. That is how you compare things on a level that makes sense. Millions of peole take aspirin, millions of people take mushrooms.
One group dies at this fractional percentage amount due to bleeding. The other dies at an even tinier amount from being an accident due to intoxication. Of which occurs at a fraction per population of usage as alcohol.

This absolutely safe bullshit straw man argument is as equally retarded as the psychosomatic heart attack crap. An equal an more valid argument can be made about simply walking out the door of your house moron! Or god forbid, getting into a motor vehicle.

Statistically, shrooms are benign. Deal with it people, just deal with it and if you want to spread urban legends, take some shrooms and learn to fly off a building. A mind is a terrible thing to waste unless of course you try and spread urban mythology


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: jamesb]
    #7417172 - 09/16/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

comparing them to aspirin is stupid because they're apples and oranges. saying mushrooms are safer than aspirin because people die from aspirin and people dont die from mushrooms would be like saying substance x which causes blindness in 100% of people who take it is safer than aspirin because aspirin has killed thousands of people, whereas substance x hasn't caused a single death or hospitalization (although it has blinded a lot of people).

statistically mushrooms appear to be very physically safe but there have been reports of people having seizures and paralysis. there are reports on erowid of people becoming paralyzed on normal doses, i've personally seen a friend become paralyzed on 1.5 grams, we had to carry him home.

as for ODing, here is an experience someone posted on bluelight:

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I'm going to stand up here and say that high doses of mushrooms are dangerous, physically.

When I took my largest dose (25 - 30g dry), I ended up paralyzed for roughly a full 24 hours. Now the scary thing was that my mouth/facial muscles were also affected, so I had to be put on IV hydration and nutrition at the hospital for 2 days because I couldn't drink or eat... something that could be potentially life threatening if I didn't have those nice doctors helping me out.

Oh, I also instantaneously developed full blown OCD after this trip too Yay!




http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=169738&page=2&highlight=shrooms


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OfflineRagus
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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7417213 - 09/16/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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yageman said:
I have had to turn my own father away from my endless stash of homegrowns before, because I knew about his physical condition(s).





dmn O.o. i mean aside from keeping my Dad safe that would be hard for me


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7417559 - 09/16/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

let me tell you something very important friend. moderation. you need to have balance and moderation in everything that you do. if you use mushrooms responsibly, intelligently, and in moderation you will be fine. doing mushrooms everyday is a bad idea, but so is eating Mc Donalds everyday. be safe, be smart, and you will never have any problems. happy tripping


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: XZzyXyzZX]
    #9830028 - 02/19/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I think your missing the point apples and oranges guy. "that would be like saying x is safer than y because y kills people and x makes you blind." UHHH HELLO. that DOES make x safer than y idiot. Im sorry but james is right on fucking point and im no professional but I don't lack the common sense that is required to see that most of you in here are coming up with whatever variables you can, whether they negate the truth or not, just so you can pretend to have a point. Going off on a whole different tangent just because you are too proud to be proven wrong. thats like saying green beans actually ARE harmful because one guy had an allergic reaction. so fucking what. accept defeat.


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Offlinefireshaman
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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: toxic_advocate]
    #9830093 - 02/19/09 10:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes psychoactives can elicit underlying psychological conditions.

They can also cause increase anxiety, which can cause PTSD or even stress causing bodily problems.

However mushrooms themselves are not toxic, unlike Alcohol, cigarettes, speed, mdma etc... And they will not poison the body.

I have heard it suggested that mushrooms are about as taxing on the liver as a beer or two, I don't have evidence of this, but would believe it, as I have noticed that I can feel if something is taxing on my system - Think of Dr. Weil's maxim - Listen to your body!

Many folks find mushrooms and other botanicals benefits to outweigh the risks, but proper info is a must!!!

With mushrooms, you're more likely to have a problem, if you pick the wrong kind, get too 'brave', don't use a scale (use dosage calculator!),( start low!)

Be Safe, and Happy Exploring!!


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OfflineDrOli
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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #9831514 - 02/20/09 03:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Beta blockers, surely. That's what I take to stop my heart rate hitting the roof.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: jamesb]
    #9831574 - 02/20/09 04:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Don't kid yourselves folks.  Psychedelics aren't exactly "safe".  Thats why we're so cautious about set/setting, dose, ability to "handle it" etc.  Used properly they can be very safe, enlightening, mystical or just plain fun.  But to the uninformed there is a very real risk of physical harm not caused directly by the drugs but due to the person hurting themselves in some way.

IME users of marijuana, mushrooms, lsd etc are always looking for evidence that their drug is safe.  Its like they enjoy their substance so much that they're in denial

I think its irresponcible to assume there is no danger.  If there was no danger we could all just dose our nuts off and drive around fast!  Forget about measuring your dose take whatever, wherever...  obviously with psychedelics we must take precautions to avoid the "dangers"


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: badstart]
    #9831601 - 02/20/09 04:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

We're talking about physical effects here. Effects that even responsible use is not immune to.  We're assuming that most people using these drugs know what the fuck they're doing.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Innoculus]
    #9831910 - 02/20/09 07:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't know that about the paralysis thing.  I had heard of it in woodlovers, but I do think it's kind of obvious that you will start to see some very detrimental effects at such a high dose as over 20 grams dry.  At the SAFE doses, there is very little risk, unless you are predisposed to mental or physical conditions.  It's like the sign that they have before you ride a roller coaster that warns people with heart conditions or back problems to not go on.  It's dangerous for some, but for the large majority, there's very little risk.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: libertaire]
    #9831956 - 02/20/09 08:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I have scientific proof that shrooms are harmless.

ME!

I'm still alive.


500 plus trips under my belt (all psilocin) in less than a couple years.

That was a few years back now, and can attest that if it were possible to die from cubies, i would be VEEEERY dead, long ago.



Although seriously speaking, i may have liver problems now.  So maybe i didnt die whilst trippin, but some affliction like liver failure due to abuse may get me in the end.  Be careful folks.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: libertaire]
    #9831957 - 02/20/09 08:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people keep digging up ancient threads? Is TPE practicing necromancy behind my back?


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9832057 - 02/20/09 08:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Kill it!


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Innoculus]
    #9832105 - 02/20/09 09:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This might be off topic:Psilocybin has a fairly high LD50, signifying rather low toxicity--less than half that of caffeine when administered intravenously in rats. Death from psilocybin intake alone is unknown at most recreational or medicinal levels.
This has to do with death not brain damage,but I would think that if you drink Coke products all day everyday it might be physically worse on your body than taking mushrooms once a month.I dont know I just though I might throw that idea out there.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: DNBplus]
    #9835345 - 02/20/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Just because something has a high lethal dose doesn't mean it isn't still harmful to you.  I'm not saying psilocin is harmful in anyway, I'm just saying that no one has any (legitimate) idea.  Some of the detrimental effects listed above, paralysis etc, are not things to be brushed off.  That's not to say that I'm against the use of the compound, but people should at least know the risks and do what they can to prevent them.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: libertaire]
    #9835524 - 02/20/09 08:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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