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OfflineStonedTestBunys1
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scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm?
    #7414039 - 09/15/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so ive read a few places that shrooms don't do any physical damage to your body but i haven't actually seen any proof just a bunch of people expecting me to believe them...I don't doubt that they don't do harm i just want to be sure, does anyone know of something that can prove to me shrooms aren't bad for you?


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7414098 - 09/15/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well the thing about psilocybin is that what it actually does isn't very well understood. what people do know is that there haven't been any hard facts to point that it damages your brain.

it acts on receptors in your brain and allows serotonin more time to act in the synapse. this action doesn't point to any physical harm being done to said serotonin or the neurons themselves.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Seventy]
    #7414202 - 09/15/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

every drug is capable of doing physical harm, one somewhat common side affect mushrooms can have on the brain is hppd. that is probably the only thing you really need to worry about, that and other psychological problems. although, there have also been case reports of paralysis, seizures and stomach problems from mushroom use.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: porcupine]
    #7414876 - 09/15/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, if you look, you'll find that nobody has ever physically OD'd by eating mushrooms-- it would take eating so many (like as in, your body weight's worth) to kill you.

http://ridgelawrence.com/2007/03/26/drugs-and-toxicity-information/

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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: coAsTal]
    #7414899 - 09/15/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Or if you are old and have high blood pressure you could die from eating 7 grams or much less even.

Anxiety can kill and so can shrooms.

Anyone who disputes this claim is a moron.

Thats why you dont dose grandma.

The way your brain is working can kill you and so can shrooms.

Take what I say in context please.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: coAsTal]
    #7414903 - 09/15/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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coAsTal said:
Actually, if you look, you'll find that nobody has ever physically OD'd by eating mushrooms-- it would take eating so many (like as in, your body weight's worth) to kill you.

http://ridgelawrence.com/2007/03/26/drugs-and-toxicity-information/

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read, learn.

Your just talking.

Lets take a more holistic approach to the actual question.

Aside from what it can do to you psychosomatically, its as safe as can be.

Young people dont have to worry about this for the most part.

They are the safest drugs out there.

Still, they can kill you via psychosomatic reactions.
This goes for those people who have very bad health and especially people with bad health who are prone to so called "mental illness". Namely, "Illnesses" that provolk occasional or frequent anxiety.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/07 11:05 PM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7414932 - 09/15/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ODing on psychedelic mushrooms is like ODing on bread. I'm sure that if I went ahead and ate 200 pounds of bread, I'd die.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Feanor]
    #7414952 - 09/15/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha so true, so true.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Feanor]
    #7415004 - 09/15/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Has bread ever given you anxiety?
Has it ever raised your heart rate even without marked anxiety?

Do you have any idea what was talking about?

And yes if you managed to eat 200 pounds of bread you would die.

Does that have ANYTHING to do with what im saying?

No, it doesnt.

I have had to turn my own father away from my endless stash of homegrowns before, because I knew about his physical condition(s).
I gave him what he has used safely before, but other than that he would need to find some other person if he wanted to up the dose.
I wont be responsible for my dads death. He is the kind of person who (health wise) is in a very bad position if he were to have a strong anxiety attack that he could hardly control.

Just my 3 cents.

A young body can take just about any amount and atleast the body would survive.

Im just being real here people.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/07 11:32 PM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7415017 - 09/15/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was just joking around, Yage! I know what you were talking about, bro!

Alas, no, bread has never given me anxiety before!


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Feanor]
    #7415029 - 09/15/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So ya, bread can kill and so can mushrooms.

I get the joke.

You have to admit that your joke is just bad info if taken seriously.
Bad info, like the guy who gave you a "word up!".

I get the joke though, and its ok with me.
Just figured id drop in a few lines.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/15/07 11:40 PM)


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: yageman]
    #7415859 - 09/16/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hmm no one wants to be syd barret with schizophrenia due to LSD


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: mushyflushy]
    #7415923 - 09/16/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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hmm no one wants to be syd barret with schizophrenia due to LSD




Actually, some will argue that the LSD didn't CAUSE his schizophrenic breakdown, but merely brought out a previous mental condition.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7416002 - 09/16/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

High blood pressure + shrooms = bad combo?

I'm only 19 but I THINK I have a bit higher blood pressure than normal. Would it be a risk for me consuming shrooms?


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: illerrre]
    #7416160 - 09/16/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

*sigh*
It's safer than aspirin.
Anyone talking out of their ass should just back it up with evidence of mushroom induced deaths.
People have panic attacks all the time, I dont hear of them dropping dead from them.

Increased pressure in the arterial system is a long slow killer. It exerts a mechanical sheer force against the walls of the arteries. Over time, generally decades, it can change the elasticity of the arteries making them brittle. More easy to hemorhage or crack which can lead to bleeding or clotting.
It takes several years for this effect to happen. Having blood pressure over 135/85 for a long period increases a person's risk of a heart attack by three.
That is why it should be controlled and followed. With exercise, the normal response of blood pressure is the systolic to go up and the dialostic (bottom number) to go down.

SO with exercise we see a very large *normal* increase in blood pressure. Let's say a 130/80, then becomes 200/60. Is that bad for someone running for an hour. Nope, that's NOT the way it works a starting systolic pressure before exercise of 190 can easily become 260 with exercise, that is where problems might occur rarely.
Weightlifters routinely put strain and put their blood pressure well into the 300 plus range. Again, no problems.

An increase in adrenaline presumably from a bit of a freak out, is short lived action and clears quickly. Fight or flight chemical.

Where does that leave psylocybin, in terms of acute toxicity, a very very low risk from incident reports. The deaths that have come from mushrooms have been typically accidental due to impaired judgement.
Psylocybin acts as a neurotransmitter, chaning brain activity. It does not change heart activity directly. If having anxiety is deadly, then lets all not give a public speech or go to that haunted house, we may drop dead of a psychosomatic reaction.
"dude, I heard four kids went into the house, they found them the next day, ghost white from fright, their hair even turned white" wooooooo

The scientific evidence of mushroom safety is the LACK of evidence reported given the millions of people who have used them. There are statistics of ER visits, but again, they just need a valium and a better setting than they were in to calm down.

I challenge anyone to show where someone died of fright during a mushroom trip lol


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7416189 - 09/16/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I heard of a kid who ened up in a hospital, cause he was shrooming and thaught he could fly. So he jumped off his fifth story balcony and broke his bones.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: jamesb]
    #7416262 - 09/16/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I challenge anyone to show where someone died of fright during a mushroom trip lol




Well, If you have a heart condition then you could get a heart attack from anxiety. Thats what is being said. So saying it's safer than asprin is misleading.

So yes shrooms could kill you, depending on the you of course.

Its not a big deal for healthy young people, but it is just as misleading to say that shrooms are perfectly safe as it is to say they make your brain bleed. Both statements aren't true (to my knowledge of course).


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(referring to the post directly above)

Oh they are also dangerous if your a moron.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: StonedTestBunys1]
    #7416286 - 09/16/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was once told doing mushrooms often can be bad for your stomach as it is kind of an indigestion ... Is it true ?

I did shrooms at least 1 time each week during 3 weeks and some of my druggies friends told me he won't do it again and I shouldn't do it again for a month as it can be bad, I decided to stop to renew the experience later and also to learn about physical reaction to shrooms ...


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: LiFe_Trip]
    #7416476 - 09/16/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

why isnt anyone paying attention to my post? there are case reports of people having seizures on mushrooms as well as paralysis. most of these people recovered completely. but anything that might cause seizures or paralysis is hardly perfectly safe and comparing them to aspirin is just stupid, as they are completely different things.


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Re: scientific proof of shrooms not doing physical harm? [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #7416876 - 09/16/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

jamesb said:

I challenge anyone to show where someone died of fright during a mushroom trip lol




Well, If you have a heart condition then you could get a heart attack from anxiety. Thats what is being said. So saying it's safer than asprin is misleading.

So yes shrooms could kill you, depending on the you of course.

Its not a big deal for healthy young people, but it is just as misleading to say that shrooms are perfectly safe as it is to say they make your brain bleed. Both statements aren't true (to my knowledge of course).


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(referring to the post directly above)

Oh they are also dangerous if your a moron.




If someone has a heart condition, then anything may cause a heart attack. If you think that is logical or scientific. Let me fill you in one fact, I am cardiology fellow and I train third year med students.
The risk of day to day operations with or without mushrooms always causes stress and anxiety and anything CAN cause a heart attack with your logic.
What is the current theory about WHY, as I mentioned in another post, there are FOUR medications that prevent heart attacks and we prescribe. One of which is a beta-blocker, atenolol, metorolol .... any drug that ends with the suffix -olol.

These block adrenalin receptors throughout the body, beta receptors are in the ovaries, brain, heart, lungs everywhere. It's the doorlock that adrenaline opens to stimulate things when people have an adrenaline rush.

So if someone had a pre-existing heart problem, they would be an idiot not to be on a beta-blocker, again, one of the FOUR drugs that prevent heart attacks.

What is the mechanism? Answer that?

I'll do it for you as I do not think anyone who is talking out of their ass making shit up can do it. So the current theory of all the academics and researchers is that it prevents a blood pressure "surge". In nearly everyone over the age of 18 that eats the North American diet. They have small growths in their arteries. MOST heart attacks actually come from small growths, not advanced heart disease developed slowly(calcium stabilized the plaques).

So these plaques or fatty deposits have the consistency of WHAT?>>> toothpaste.
If you have a blood pressure surge, it can strip away the friable out coating of the plaque.
This releases in the body chemical messengers that say "Help me, I am bleeding" The exact same message when you cut your finger, what happens platelets and other clotters come and stop the bleeding cut and you get a scab.
That's all well and good, but getting a scab in your coronary arteries is what causes a heart attack as it prevents blood flow to the muscle of the heart, dies of hypoxia and lack of waste product removal.

But it is WHOLLY retarded to worry about that disease process while shrooming.
I mean seriously retarded and to promulgate stress induced heart attacks on shrooms is fucking retarded. I have never seen in amy case literature. A stress induced heart attack due to shroom ingestion.

The above process occurs without use of drugs or alcohol in nearly every case. The what-if possibility and speculation is just bullshit and all you do it lay seeds for others to have a bad trip.

You arguments are garbage and juvenile urban legend crap. It's as if you have zero formal education in medicine. Zero and yet you distribute your ideas as if you are an expert. Which, hello, I am one and you guys are full of shit.

Shrooms are not physically dangerous, period, end of story! They are psychologically dangerous if you choose to drive, fly off a cliff, or walk into a rednecks home unannounced.
But, this "oh lawdy, you might die of a heart attack" shit has just got to stop. It's a lie and you have zero evidence or reasoning to say it is possible. Sure a heart attack is possible, ask my last 1000 thousand cardiac patients. None of them reported they were tripping on shrooms.
Seriously, stop trying to spin people up with this garbage, they recall it in the middle of their trips. Not cool, not cool at all


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