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wutang
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contaminated cake still fruiting
#7413421 - 09/15/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hi, i got this golden teacher that i started a while back (i'm through with BRF, its all about grains now!) and it got mold. hmmm but its still fruiting invitro. what should i do? amputate the infected part?
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calicyco
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: wutang]
#7413426 - 09/15/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Throw it away. Why risk food poisoning? Imagine having your stomach pumped whilst on cubes.
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wutang
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7413440 - 09/15/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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err, i was hopeing someone who dealt with this before would post
Edited by wutang (09/15/07 02:36 PM)
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7413457 - 09/15/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Having contamination on the substrate will not affect the shroom itself. As I understand it, contamination is bad because:
1. Mold spores will get everywhere and affect future projects 2. Competitor molds will reduce yield 3. Mold spores got on the shrooms themselves, making them not good to eat
Of course, I generally hear this for trich, which isn't very toxic to humans. I'm not sure what your mold is, so it might be more harmful. Since it's just a cake, it's probably not worth keeping it around.
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calicyco
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: wutang]
#7413472 - 09/15/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Umm, I have dealt with contamination more times than you could ever imagine. Let me ask you this: what is the exact name of the contaminant you have there? Do you understand the biology of said contaminant? Does it produce toxic byproducts? Is it bacterial? If that was some cooked rice sitting on your counter for weeks, would you just scoop out the gunk and eat it?
Go ahead and eat your poisoned mushrooms if you are that desperate to get high.
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joekenorer
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7413564 - 09/15/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't you hate assholes?
IMO it would be best to toss the cake. Its just a cake, they're so easy to make and colonize. I'm no expert, but I understand the very good rule of when when in doubt, toss that shit out. If you decide otherwise, I wish you the best. Let us know what happens, experience is extremely useful on here. Peace.
-------------------- My favorites are weeping willows, which aren't really weeping at all. They're very wispy, witty and will dance in the breeze with you. Nothing like a tree that wants to dance with you. Although it doesn't like its thin limbs being pulled at all, it absolutely LOVES it when you walk through them, letting them gently slide over your face and shoulders. If you're naked, the willow considers it to be sex. It will orgasm on your mind and you will blow dream chunks into outer space. All very fun until your neighbor sees you. -The Joekenorer
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wutang
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7413592 - 09/15/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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calicyco said: Umm, I have dealt with contamination more times than you could ever imagine. Let me ask you this: what is the exact name of the contaminant you have there? Do you understand the biology of said contaminant? Does it produce toxic byproducts? Is it bacterial? If that was some cooked rice sitting on your counter for weeks, would you just scoop out the gunk and eat it?
Go ahead and eat your poisoned mushrooms if you are that desperate to get high.
i dont even get high off of shrooms they dont work for me besides I'm not into that micro organism shit. im a botanist!! and saying that you dealt with contams more than i can imagine shows me your not very sterile and u dont know what your doing
Edited by wutang (09/15/07 03:28 PM)
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: joekenorer]
#7413600 - 09/15/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would be best to simply toss it. I remember seeing a post a long time ago, I believe it was hippiechick, who decided to fruit her contamed casings. The mold kept growing as it progressed and the fruits that it produced were HORRIFYING. Almost every shroom looked like it had grown inside out with major discolorings and deformaties. If you can get sick as hell just by smelling the mean green, just think about what EATING one of those contams would do to you...
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wutang
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: HappyHardcore]
#7413607 - 09/15/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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okay i know that, but its not trichoderma this is something else and the mushrooms arent contaminated, only the bottom of the cake is
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calicyco
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: HappyHardcore]
#7413622 - 09/15/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey I wasn't trying to be an asshole, just please try not to denigrate information from someone you don't know when they are trying to help you and keep you safe. If you have to ask the question you did, you do not have the knowledge to know whether or not it would be safe. If I were you, I wouldn't trust advice from strangers on the net if anybody suggested you do something that could be dangerous. People have been asking the exact same question for many many years here, usually looking for validation that it would be safe, for some odd reason. Nobody here wants you to get sick, even if they themselves would know it is safe, they would never suggest an inexperienced grower eat something unknown.
The golden rule with contaminated cakes: would you eat it if it was moist grain/rice sitting on your kitchen counter for a month and looked funky?
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7413767 - 09/15/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol, I certainly wouldn't eat it if it had mushrooms or myceleum growing on it either, but your point is clear.
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: joekenorer]
#7413923 - 09/15/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since you asked,,not from experience but from reading, it seems that some ppl that have eaten mushrooms off of contaminated substrates have had sour stomach and even some that have become sick.Ive even read of some ppl become very sick just by smelling them. My new rule is that if I do get a cantam cake that I'm throwing it out after boiling it.( had one after the lid spinning off and dropped jar and lost the verm barrier.)One cakes not worth it.
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wutang
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: nw_shroomy]
#7413980 - 09/15/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah i threw that shit in an outdoor patch and see what happens
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nw_shroomy
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: wutang]
#7414048 - 09/15/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wutang said: yeah i threw that shit in an outdoor patch and see what happens
Ya I thought about doing that but my compost pile is in direct line of my back door which is always open during the day.Thought maybe the wind might carry those bad spores into my house.I did barry 7 cakes that was taking too long to show anything.(keeps fingers crossed.hehe
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7414068 - 09/15/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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calicyco said: Hey I wasn't trying to be an asshole, just please try not to denigrate information from someone you don't know when they are trying to help you and keep you safe. If you have to ask the question you did, you do not have the knowledge to know whether or not it would be safe. If I were you, I wouldn't trust advice from strangers on the net if anybody suggested you do something that could be dangerous. People have been asking the exact same question for many many years here, usually looking for validation that it would be safe, for some odd reason. Nobody here wants you to get sick, even if they themselves would know it is safe, they would never suggest an inexperienced grower eat something unknown.
The golden rule with contaminated cakes: would you eat it if it was moist grain/rice sitting on your kitchen counter for a month and looked funky?
Trust calicyco on this one -- he's right. Don't refute his advice just because you think he's inexperienced. The golden rule is: if in doubt, throw it out. Period.
Edited by Seventy (09/15/07 06:15 PM)
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calicyco
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: wutang]
#7414091 - 09/15/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wutang said: and saying that you dealt with contams more than i can imagine shows me your not very sterile and u dont know what your doing
LOL, ok. I'd love to see a SINGLE grow you have ever done that didn't contaminate. Find anybody on these boards who has ever had a grow not contaminate. The fact that you grow cakes speaks volumes bro. You have a lot to learn.
Anyway, I never insulted you, you don't know anything about me, nor I you. <shrug>
Why would you get pissed because I took the time to give you good advice? Geez.
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wutang
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7414145 - 09/15/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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alot to learn? i already know alot, and that cake was from a month ago before i used rye and poo and if you wanna see my grows go to my gallery, you dont seem to have any pics of your grows
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calicyco
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: wutang]
#7414191 - 09/15/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have nothing to prove to you or anybody else. Take my advice or not. Whatever.
Why in the world would I post pictures? Why would you? I'm glad some people do, its highly educational. I don't know anybody on these boards and do not want to, its nothing personal. So you've been using cased substrates for a whole month? Wow hehe. I'm glad you like what you are doing and want to share your experiences. Why do you ask questions if you don't want them answered? Or have I somehow not passed your test of who is who around here to warrant you insulting my abilities? I've been a member of these forums for a long time. You've been around what, 3 months? Take it easy pal.
Anyway, I'm over it, sorry to have upset you.
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: wutang]
#7414195 - 09/15/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i really hate when asses have to make further asses of themselves. why cant we just be courteous to each other and stick to the topic of the thread. it really sux for everyone else when we search for things and then when we find a thread of some value, it is filled with asses just running their mouths to each other. wutang, i have read a few of your posts and you always seem to bring tension to a thread. i have also read many of calicycos posts and he always gives courteous and helpful advice. take a hint.
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wutang
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Re: contaminated cake still fruiting [Re: calicyco]
#7414205 - 09/15/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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my question was what kind of contam was on my cake wow you being here for 4 years doesnt prove shit that you can grow you can be here for 10 years, that doesnt mean you can grow anything but hey, me being here for 3 months i have waaay more shit to show than you do
what ever im done.
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