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Re: "are the rich necessary??"... [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7428607 - 09/19/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Left alone? By who? Do you mean not having to answer to govrenment or authority?




Left alone by government yes, but also by other individuals. It is natural for humans to co-operate. That's part of human nature. They need no government or other authority to compel them to co-operate: they do it on their own. It's also natural for humans to voluntarily trade with one another. That too is human nature. As a matter of fact, the drive to trade with others is so strong that even in the most repressive totalitarian societies there is always a black market. A black market is nothing more than underground capitalism.

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but capitalism requires government, technology, military, resources, classes, currency, the whole shebang.




Actually, it doesn't require classes, nor does it even require currency, but in essence you have it correct. If you answer the following question it becomes clear -- What is government's (and since the military is a part of the government, the military's) role in a Capitalist society? To ensure people are left alone. If no one is messing with anyone else, the government need do nothing other than sit on its thumbs. It's a backup safety mechanism, not the driving force in human affairs.

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How could you have capitalism without capital itself?




You conflate currency with capital. Currency is nothing more than an abstraction which eases transactions. Currency is a representation of actual goods (and services), it is not the goods themselves. The goods (and services) are the capital. It is as feasible to use a direct barter system under Capitalism as it is under any other system.

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I don't understand "left alone." Who, or what, is leaving these rhetorical people alone?




Other people.



Phred


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InvisibleArp
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Re: "are the rich necessary??"... [Re: Phred]
    #7428794 - 09/19/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Military & protection should be private and contracted by those who need it.

The rest of us can be pirates :captain:


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Re: "are the rich necessary??"... [Re: Arp]
    #7429206 - 09/19/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The rest of you can then be slaves or food.


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Re: "are the rich necessary??"... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7429474 - 09/19/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The rest of you can then be slaves or food.




Soylent Green anyone?


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Re: "are the rich necessary??"... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7429527 - 09/19/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yum.


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