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ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07*
    #7412705 - 09/15/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have sorted the rules so that the most relevant rules to one another are in a progressive order.

In addition, I have added a rule (SORRY!), that has needed to be covered for a while, since so many threads have been started as obvious loop-holes in regards to rules #4 and #5.

So, here is the new rule, #6:

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6. No asking WHEN or WHERE mushrooms, or a specific mushroom species will grow.
This includes, asking what habitat a mushroom[s] can be found- or their preferred fruiting conditions. This can be very simply answered by using the "search posts" feature:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php
Asking if "now is a good time to look for mushrooms".
Or how long to wait after rain fall to go hunting.
Each mushroom species has a different rate of growth- some mushrooms, like Ganoderma species, take quite a while to mature, compared to mushrooms like Conocybe, which take only one night to show up, and mature, and are all shriveled by the end of the next day. Conversely, Ganoderma persist for months, only disappearing when the bark beetle infestation has done enough damage, that the fruiting body falls to the ground, and slowly gets eaten away, and any remainder, crumbles into the top soil.
These issues are sort of redundant, as addressed in rules #4 and #5, yet needed to be explained more concisely, due to many people seeing these questions as loop-holes since they were not directly described.




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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7412748 - 09/15/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you should just make it so there are no new posts made and everyone can just use the search.lock up the whole shebang.:igor:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: coon]
    #7412756 - 09/15/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That would have its perks... However, I am addicted to myco pr0n, and in constant need of new material!


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: coon]
    #7413030 - 09/15/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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you should just make it so there are no new posts made and everyone can just use the search.lock up the whole shebang.:igor:




fo real.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: citricacidx]
    #7413111 - 09/15/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

nah. its always nice for cactu or someone else to open a new thread up with new species. how else will new completely new material from?

i just hope it deters new people from asking these questions.

keep it up curecat.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7413129 - 09/15/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Makes sense to me, probably a pretty good idea actually,
not locking the forum, but not asking redundant questions
about habitat, growth, etc.

Keep up the good work CureCat.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7413133 - 09/15/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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nah. its always nice for cactu or someone else to open a new thread up with new species. how else will new completely new material from?





Agreed.





i just hope it deters new people from asking these questions.

keep it up curecat.




Doubtful, people are just lazy and dont read! But keep it up anyway Cat, probably will have some results atleast.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: gmuralid]
    #7413269 - 09/15/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It will not prevent the questions, however, those sorts of threads can now be locked, without argument from the original poster, that it was not explicitly in the rules.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: coon]
    #7413388 - 09/15/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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coon said:
you should just make it so there are no new posts made and everyone can just use the search.lock up the whole shebang.:igor:




It seems to be heading in that direction doesn't it? :rolleyes:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Hotnuts]
    #7413578 - 09/15/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I welcome constructive criticism.

If you have a suggestion to make things better, or explanation of why you think my implementations are amiss, please share it, but don't indirectly chastise my efforts if you have no ideas yourself.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7413646 - 09/15/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

when will they pack us on the trains and fire the ovens? :lolocaust:

no,sounds good cat,I think.:igor:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7413656 - 09/15/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well sometime is anoying to get in the forum and just see how people try to get and id ,and all member say read the rulez,even some of the rules are there, also people only answer to for my point of view to not relevant tread , i´m not saying because no too many people reply my post is just sometimes i see over 200 reply to a post about weather, id with bad picture and incorrect drecripcion or no descripcion at all,is this shit legit, i mean if you buy mushrroms in the stret to a dealer come on , be a man and play by the rules,
i enjoy a lot some part of this comunity , i had done a lot for me also, but why is not a rule not to aks about is this is and hallucinogig mushrroms? specially when is not hunting is mushrroms choping , and what can you do if this guy give you shit probably wont´kill you i doubt a pusher sell poison, so there is no need to say and id other that satisfaction of someone don´t care much about mushrooms , keep up the good work cure cat , i believe this place is doing a great job,


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: cactu]
    #7413691 - 09/15/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Its all good here.

I dont think that the shroomery forum has a real problem and any attempts to try and make it perfect are pointless in my opinion.
My experience is this:
Assholes and idiots are present everywhere in the world and the internet is a place where they all go. Just that way.

The shroomery is no different and its something we must all deal with. I enjoy this site everytime i log on. (about every 8 hours or less)
Always learning.

Besides, the problems are always dealt with quickly by our moderators.
If anything, the shroomery has gotten immensely better and more organized.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7413756 - 09/15/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good rule, that was something that annoyed the piss out of me for years. I think I tried to implement something like this at one point, but this was back when members were still bitching about the rules we already had. I guess people just accept them now.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Gumby]
    #7413789 - 09/15/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good to see you Gumby!  I was hoping you'd comment, after I saw you were logged in. 

There is still a lot of resistance to the rules, though, most of the regulars have come to recognize their importance in getting people to do their own research, and keeping the forum tidy.

Come by more often.  :scrambled:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7414312 - 09/15/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

resistance is futile.:bouncey:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: coon]
    #7414769 - 09/15/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

awwwwww now I'll never know how long to wait after rain to look for mushrooms, or where is the best place :frown: damn you curecat :P


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Woombleshamba]
    #7414796 - 09/15/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

1-3 days after rain

AND THANK YOU THERE IS A GOD

NOOBS that dont RESEARCH arent cool -=/

You gotta read to get basic info down!! WOOT im soo happy


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: implee]
    #7414880 - 09/15/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I usually go out right after it rains, but mainly, because I like to hunt for like 4 to 5 hours. It's become my new addiction.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7417823 - 09/16/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh sweet!  Another rule that implee can enfore with an iron fist.  He must be so excited.  :smile:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: scout24]
    #7417885 - 09/16/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Implee's a mod?


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GGreatOne234 said:
I've never come across a cow pasture in
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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7418187 - 09/16/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:  No, just a stickler for the rules... He's too agro to moderate.  :tongue:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7418425 - 09/16/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think that all moderators of this forum are probably myco-pr0n addicts. I know I am. Isn't that why we hang out here in the first place?

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: ToxicMan]
    #7418496 - 09/16/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I think that all moderators of this forum are probably myco-pr0n addicts. I know I am. Isn't that why we hang out here in the first place?



This forum, yes... though, I have two equally important goals:
getting off on tripped out looking mushrooms, and expanding my understanding of mycology globally, from a scientific and phylogenetic perspective.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7419029 - 09/17/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I understand where you're comming from curecat, but not every basic question can be answered using the search function. Here's an example of a simple question.

When and where can oyster mushrooms be found?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php

There's very little there can help an inexperienced hand get his or her question answered in the right manner. Besides, some people don't have the time or know how to use that function properly or to get the answer they're looking for. I just think it's easier for a person to ask a question, get the answer they're looking for and be done with it. Rather than getting their thread locked and pointed to a "read the rules" answer. When the question could've been answered in the time it took to lock the thread in the first place.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Hotnuts]
    #7419050 - 09/17/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: implee]
    #7419655 - 09/17/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Here's an alternative, instead of asking the same questions,
that have been asked over and over, such as weather, growth, etc.
Why not just ask for links on a relative topic, I don't believe that is expressly prohibited by the rules, and it would help noobs, like myself learn tremendously more. Although, I'm a fan of the search post option. Keywords retrieve results, atleast better results, than
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I've never come across a cow pasture in
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Those signs mean stay the f away.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Hotnuts]
    #7419659 - 09/17/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I understand where you're comming from curecat, but not every basic question can be answered using the search function. Here's an example of a simple question.

When and where can oyster mushrooms be found?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php

There's very little there can help an inexperienced hand get his or her question answered in the right manner. Besides, some people don't have the time or know how to use that function properly or to get the answer they're looking for. I just think it's easier for a person to ask a question, get the answer they're looking for and be done with it. Rather than getting their thread locked and pointed to a "read the rules" answer. When the question could've been answered in the time it took to lock the thread in the first place.



It does require the user to know how internet search engines function, and what key terms to search. And although one question may be simple enough, we get SO MANY of these questions a day, it just becomes overwhelming. I and many others do not have the time or motivation to answer and/or correct misinformation on these issues every single time they come up.

Yes, it puts responsibility on the individual. Where do you think I learned what I know?? I certainly was not taught, and until about 6 months ago, i didn't own any mycology texts or field guides. I learned through searching the internet and first hand hunting experience. I figure if people sincerely want to learn, they should show some initiative, rather than spoon feed them all the answers.

This is simply a conflict of opinion, and although i disagree, i understand your point.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7419732 - 09/17/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No one wants to see the forum clogged with inappropriate weather questions or questions that can easily be answered via the forum search function. People should be encouraged to seek their own answers. A clutter-free forum with self-reliant, motivated members is an honorable goal.

However, I've seen many borderline posts locked in this forum. This practice does not serve the above purpose. What's much worse is the practice of mercilessly flaming anyone's post that does not strictly conform to rules. I'm sure many people have been so discouraged by the response they've received in this forum that they've decided it's not worth the effort. Ultimately, this hurts the community, because we lose members who have the potential to make contributions in the future.

In short, this ridiculous obsession with the letter of the law, as opposed to the spirit, is ANNOYING and it hurts the community. We don't need more rules if they are being used merely as a vehicle to flame noobs.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: scout24]
    #7420001 - 09/17/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Its to bad your wrong. And why would they be used to flame noobs? You just made that up as a reason. Its so noobs stop asking the same shit over and over without even reading the rules. Look at most any post i reply to a noob with, its clear they didnt read the rules prior.

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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: implee]
    #7420142 - 09/17/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Implee, he makes a good point.  One that I have been trying to explain to you for some time.

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scout24 said:
What's much worse is the practice of mercilessly flaming anyone's post that does not strictly conform to rules.  I'm sure many people have been so discouraged by the response they've received in this forum that they've decided it's not worth the effort.  Ultimately, this hurts the community, because we lose members who have the potential to make contributions in the future.

In short, this ridiculous obsession with the letter of the law, as opposed to the spirit, is ANNOYING and it hurts the community.  We don't need more rules if they are being used merely as a vehicle to flame noobs.




I do appreciate your linking new people to the rules, but you often do it in an abrasive manner.  Try to be polite, rather than condescending, it can be a turn off for new folks. 
There are certainly some jerks, but you should not be the agressor.  There are rules, as well as reprimand for those who cannot follow them.

So instead of:
"OMG READ THE FUCKING RULES N00B!!!"

Try something like:
"Hi, if you haven't already read the forum rules, please take a look at them"

:ohwell:  We want to invite people into the hobby, not scare them away.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: implee]
    #7420249 - 09/17/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a rule that you should take to heart, implee.

"a. Common courtesy
If you see someone violating a rule outlined in the thread (like asking for an ID without providing enough information) please refer them to this FAQ and do NOT flame them or even argue. It's the job of us, the moderators and the administrators to deal with anyone who is not following the rules, so please don't break them yourselves trying to enforce them.

If you are making an identification request, have some common courtesy and use proper grammar. This is a message board, not an AOL chatroom. We do not appreciate posts asking "Wut r these shroomz??????" '

I would be sympathetic if english was not your native language, but you've stated that you're capable of using proper grammar but choose not to. As it states in the rules, that's discourteous. You clog the forums with your 'leet' text message garbage grammar. Members must waste their time trying to decipher your messages because, according to you, you don't want to bother with proper grammar. How about a little respect?


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: scout24]
    #7422262 - 09/18/07 02:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dont like noobs :mad2:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7423605 - 09/18/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: implee]
    #7424477 - 09/18/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What's your definition of a noob though?

I'm sure there are plenty of noobs, who
do not ask ignorant questions, but are still
new to mycology.

Then you have the noobs, who are ignorant,
and ask stupid repetitive questions. If this
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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7424543 - 09/18/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"n00b" tends to refer to ignorant or idiotic new people. At least according to the most commonly accepted definition. Yes... I have looked this up.

You can very well be new without being a n00b, based upon your knowledge and/or maturity.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7424558 - 09/18/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

can I call noobs perdorkers?:igor:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: coon]
    #7424574 - 09/18/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:  Certainly.  Please do.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7424587 - 09/18/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

sounds better than noob.perdorker.:igor:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7424589 - 09/18/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Perdorker? You'll have to break that one down in English Coon.


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I've never come across a cow pasture in
Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs.
Those signs mean stay the f away.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7424612 - 09/18/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

made it up myself.perdorker is a male,pedorker is female.this is gonna be great.:igor:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: coon]
    #7424647 - 09/18/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Can't wait to see this played out...


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7424662 - 09/18/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hustle the term like a black man coon, lol.
This should be humorous.


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GGreatOne234 said:
I've never come across a cow pasture in
Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs.
Those signs mean stay the f away.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7424671 - 09/18/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

already in progress,perdorker.:igor:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7424688 - 09/18/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Woot, i cant wait =-O

and yeah noob are people that are dumb... thats all...
Or people who dont read the 'noobs read this' thread, there most likely noobs, and people who post improper id requests noobs, people who dont use the search or faq, noobs... i hate noobs :killerrabbit:


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: implee]
    #7424701 - 09/18/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How long does everyone think this thread should be stickied?


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7424730 - 09/18/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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How long does everyone think this thread should be stickied?




Lock it up and throw away the key.


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GGreatOne234 said:
I've never come across a cow pasture in
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Those signs mean stay the f away.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7424749 - 09/18/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

....anyone else?

Maybe I'll let it sink now... yeah.


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Re: ADDITION TO RULES *9.15.07* [Re: CureCat]
    #7427122 - 09/19/07 07:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

isn't this thread off topic? muahaha

joke.


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