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My Psychological block & DMT orally
    #7412435 - 09/15/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I want to talk about a psychological block I have. Bear with me as this is a bit rambling, it isn't a trip report though it does relate to my experiences, or lack of them on DMT.

I've known for a while that I have a high tolerance for certain substances and don't easily get visuals, in fact DMT is the only thing I've been able to get any visual distortion or effects, and these are certainly entertaining and worthwhile. That isn't solely what I'm looking for though, more revelation than entertainment is what I want, though some entertainment is good.

Today I tried DMT orally with an MAOI. I took 3g Syrian Rue followed half an hour later by 35g of DMT. Over the next 2 hours I had some slight body load and cognitive changes but nothing really significant or visual. After 2hours 15 minutes I decided I wasn't getting anything else and to either potentiate the oral DMT or achieve breakthrough I took an additional 2g of Syrian Rue and 15 mins later smoked 50g of DMT. I didn't breakthrough on this (I've never achieved breakthrough with DMT in around a dozen experiences, apart from possibly once when I was briefly in a whitey space on my own and felt my consiousness/sense of self-control very quickly pulling me out of it and reasserting control over my visual perceptions) but I did get to the veil, which I've reached twice before, and got what was at the time a very clear and vivid knowledge that the problem was me and that I had some psychelogical blocks or barriers preventing me from getting further than I have. I'd give more details but it isn't that clear now and I can't remember the details. I did get some visuals, as I usually do with smoked DMT.

I did have a blissful connected feeling and I was mentally in a different place, this continued for the next 2 hours or so before fading and disappearing. The smoked DMT I reckon kickstarted what I'd taken orally but during this time I didn't get any visuals at all (apart from 'smoke' - see later) despite having the other effects.

One thing I noticed today while looking at the sky, and I've noticed before, is that I could see what appear to be wisps of smoke moving about in my vision. These were small dark insubstantial, moved on their own and if I han't been looking at the sky, and it hadn't been so blue I probably wouldn't have noticed them.

I think its the case that this 'smoke' is the visual effects of the oral DMT being surpressed by my subconscious down to the stage where they don't appear noticeable.

Apart from the fact that I now know that I've got a psychelogical block (previously I'd just thought it was my personality type - don't loose control easily and very practical/non-emotional/non-perceptive) that I need to work to break down (easier said than done I'm sure) the oral DMT experience was a compete let down. I'm not sure why I've been able to get visuals with smoked DMT on its own but none with orally administered DMT + MAOI. I suspect it might be due to the speed of onset as I haven't managed to get any visuals on any other longer duration substances either.

I want to ask if anyone has had similar experiences or can offer any sugestions as to how I can break down my psychological barriers to get fuller and more typical experience. Basically how can I fix myself? Anyone have any thoughts?

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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7412464 - 09/15/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you gotta let go of your ego
lay down while doing it.
then just let yourself relax while it is kicking in.
close your eyes and just let all your muscles relax and imagine yourself sinking into the bed/couch ect...
the key is relaxation and letting go both physically and mentally.
like your body has died and you must go on without it.
It can be scary though trying that.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: cpw1971]
    #7412516 - 09/15/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I tried relaxing and letting go - for a good while I was focussing on surrendering to the experience, but it didn't make any difference. There were some times when I felt closer to a visual/fuller experience but nothing developed from it.

Part of the problem I think is that I have a active and jumpy thought processes - go from one thought to an unconnected one - and this made it hard to relax as I'd jump from thinking on relaxing/letting go to something else, like trying to work out the nature/reason of my block. This happened a fair few times and I got in a bit of a thought loop at times with the same ideas and themes coming round in my consciousness. I did try to relax and surrender control but not with any success though.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7419814 - 09/17/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7420015 - 09/17/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

have you tried Salvia Divinorum???
try some 10x :thumbup:
  work with the reverse tolerance effect it has by smoking 1 small hit and blowing it out in 10 seconds and then wait for 20 minutes to a half an hour and take the biggest toke you can and hold it for 20 to 30 seconds and blow it out and take 1 breath and hit it again.  keep hitting it like that until all reality melts away and you find yourself in another dimension.
  for me Salvia is the only one that broke me free from this physical reality altogether :rockon:
and its great on the other side
  it really showed me death is not the end :cool:


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: cpw1971]
    #7422033 - 09/17/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've tried Salvia before, normal strength, but didn't like it that much. I'm not sure how much benefit it'd have as DMT and an MAOI couldn't get through to me. I'll have a look for some though and maybe give it a try, I think I've still got some normal strength salvia around somewhere.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7423109 - 09/18/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah man 10x or 20x
  a lot of people don't like Salvia but I have been experimenting and refining a method for 6 years. I can help you get over that feeling let me explain....
  first let me explain some things about myself. at an early age of about 7 my mother taught me how to Astral Project and got me into Jane Roberts "Seth Material" and all sorts of other spiritual stuff.
  By the time I was about 13 I started being able to astral project from a wakened state and knowing what was going on the whole time and how to control it. I would have to be in a certain mindframe to do it though and couldn't just do it at will. I found the trick was to wake up early in the morning and get a quick cup of coffee with using as little body movement as possible. then laying down and just relaxing my body like it was a log. after a while there is a vibration all over  my whole body and it feels like pins and needles kinda like when your foot falls asleep. Only when it happens to your whole body it is also orgasmic feeling at the same time.  When I feel this I relax my body even more and also try to stay alert.  then I sit up and find that my physical body is still laying down and from there I know I am out of my body and can do ANYTHING.  most people say you cant get back to your body or something but this isn't true.  I try to stay out as long asd possible but always come back without trying.
    now....
  6 years ago I was in an Astral projection forum where someone was talking about Salvia. I was definitely interested in being able to leave my body at ANY given time so I ordered some.
  my first time I got the gravitational pulls and felt trippy. 
  I had times where everything was melting around me and it felt strange and scary  and it is this part people dont like about Salvia. they try to stand up ect...  and forget they smoked it.  this stage is just below breakthrough but most people try and move around and never get past this.  this is the EGO loss stage
    the trick I found was by mixing my Astral; projection method with Salvia and also the reverse tolerance effect.
  lay down  while doing it. close your eyes
  just let your body relax and sink down.  just let go of everything
  now of course you would have to be willing to surrender yourself completely. 
  on the other side you will meet some people that are waiting for you. they are friendly just let them guide you. don't be afraid.
It is wonderful there :smile:
 
    now you have to be willing to accept it because theres people that try it that think when your body dies all you do is push daisies and when they try it they stand up and say  "woooaaaa  man I dont like this man what the fuck". 
  do not stand up  lay down and close your eyes and just let go.
  make sure to get a good enough dose

  also I found there are 2 types of breakthroughs....
  the ego loss breakthrough...  you forget who you are on the other side or that you smoked Salvia
  the non-ego loss breakthrough... my method of Astral projection mixed with Salvia......  on the other side you know what is going on and can pass through the dimensions like layers of an onion and have some control.  very very awesome stuff

    theres one more thing to know that helps....
  the realities are all connected to the same fabric and made up of pure thought and conscious energy. when you smoke Salvia it can roll your thought itself into another reality.  this can be perceived as folding, melting, waves, gravitational pulls ect.  it feels very weird when it happens but just relax and let it fold over.
    if you have ever heard of Superstring theory then you will understand how matter is made of energy.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: cpw1971]
    #7423706 - 09/18/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, that's one interesting early life you've got, astral projecting sounds an amazing thing to do. I may look around for some crazy multiple of salvia & give it a try, though I think I may have some problems with the ego loss.

" theres people that try it that think when your body dies all you do is push daisies" - to an extent that's me. I'm quite anti-religion but I do believe there are forces and things we can't perceive (normally) though I don't think that necessarily means there's something beyond death for us. The one time I ever gotclose to that feeling of death/ego death was when I smoked too much 5-Meo-DMT and I fought it mentally like it was all I could do as it was, or felt like, death for real, I think my deepest sense of self(preservation) kicked in to fight it. I don't know if it's an inbuilt response or if it's just my strong inability to surrender or loose control.

I've heard of superstring theory but you don't need it to explain matter & energy E=MC2 does it too.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7423750 - 09/18/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I am not talking about E=MC2 lol .
I mean what the matter of atoms is made of. It is made of tiny strings of energy.

also don't confuse religion with spirituality.
spirituality is in everyone
religion is to control masses of people

also just try my method and really just let go or you never will.

once you swim in the deep end you will get over your fear


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: cpw1971]
    #7423848 - 09/18/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I took an additional 2g of Syrian Rue and 15 mins later smoked 50g of DMT




Ahem? Did you mean 50 miligrams?

Anyway, while I can't help you too much with your psychological block, there are a couple of DMT smoking methods that might make your experiences more powerful.

1. Mixed with weed in a gravity bong.

2. Drill a hole in the bottom of a beer bottle and put a straw through the hole. Pack the neck of the bottle with wire wool, and put the DMT on top of this. You can mix with weed or an inactive herb for this method, too, though it isn't strictly necessary. Hold a lighter over the neck of the bottle, breathe in through the hole, and some smoke will go to your lungs, while the bottle will fill up. Taking a second, larger hit and hold it. If this doesn't send you to very strange and different places, then I think finding a way to deal with your psychological block is your only option.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7423908 - 09/18/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oops, yes I meant mg, 50g would be a bit too much.
I'll try some different smoking methods, though I'm not sure about smoking through wire wool.
I think I'm going to have to deal with my block somehow as even with 85mg of DMT & 5g of Syrian Rue in 2 and a half hours I didn't get much in the way of visuals, the only visuals I did get was through smoking so improving smoking technique won't help me with orally taken DMT.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: cpw1971]
    #7423934 - 09/18/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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cpw1971 said:

once you swim in the deep end you will get over your fear




I know, it has been getting easier, I think with time & increased familiarity with DMT I'd probably break through my barriers anyway but I want to try to work it out & get rid of it quicker.


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Re: My Psychological block & DMT orally [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7425696 - 09/18/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

to me DMT and Ayahuasca is very different than Salvia.
more like a winnamp plugin in my mind that I can just close my eyes and watch and tell my girlfriend about it the whole time.
I even started telling her some theory about conciousnes and how it is 3 seperate entities that make up your conciousness as a whole but they split apart when you die and go their own ways.the first layer is what you do and who you are, the second layer down is your feelings, and the third layer down is everything you know and deals with all your memories . I looked it up later and found Fruedian conciousness info and it matched up pretty well. never really read any of his work either.


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