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EternalCowabunga
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History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s
#7412360 - 09/15/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This whole mythology that reality is like Sisyphus who is eternally pushing a rock up a mountain only for it to fall down so he can push it up again... seems to reflect our reality in which civilizations come and go with no real progress being made. History looks like it repeats itself, we live our lives being crushed by the same usual fears or trying to make something happen which just isn't happening.
Take a look at this message board. Nobody can come to any conclusion, any point. It seems we are making no spiritual progress at all!
On the other hand, we have creativity. We are now living very complex lives although the materials remain pretty simple. We see a small fraction of humans whose personalities are more enriched than ever before, many of these people display amazing artistic talent. There are people I meet now who can literally, yes literally, read my thoughts (not going to bite on the Randi argument, the s-rays are lethal)
The Sisyphus argument only works if you believe that time (and us existing in time) are being pushed forward by the Big Bang into some kind of entropic void. But now we have computers that are getting more and more complex, the emergence of super smart artificial intelligence is inevitable... I mean, the law of entropy is bullshit. Nothing is lost, everything that has ever existed has created what we are right at this very moment, which is more awesome and amazing than any moment ever. You know why? Because our imagination is creating more and more novel things in reality all the time.
We are at such an interesting time in history, and I think this message board reflects that, in which nobody is really sure whether we are moving forward or backwards. I believe this flatlandish realm of values and ideas is necessary in order to transcend to a higher intelligence. All philosophy will become mute to wherever we are going with computers because they will take over and we can only hope they treat us benevolently - in fact, I think we should treating animals so poorly immediatly so we give a good example. There will be the human supremists, but they will shut up in the blinding obviousness of the superior intelligence of the machines.
This isn't some kind of dork fantasy. This is all true because it's in our imagination and it's incredibly probable. I've been reading "The Physics of Immortality" and I thought to myself "Wow, how have I not read this book before? It says everything that I already envisioned in my mind about our reality". This book is great, it has confirmed all my "delusions".
The only thing I'm wondering now is whether the Omega Point, the end of time, has already happened and through resurrecting all infinite possibilities, nothing was ever changed and we are living eternally already at the end and the beginning, or whether this is all happening in some linear fashion and the end point is a Unity that creates a higher ultimate reality that has never been (I doubt this, if God really is present in all time and space). I am hoping someone could give me some insight on to this.
Also, the ultimate Being must be an infinite open system and not a closed finite system otherwise reality would not be as kickass as it is.
Also, your responsible for bringing this into reality. The Sisyphus mythology and ideas like "everything is going to burn out and die" are fucked up thoughts when you look at the big picture.
And one last point, and this is a bold one: there might actually be two omega points, and one is heaven and one is hell, and creativity is what brings us closer to heaven. Hell is a literal place at the end of time and Heaven is a literal place at the end of time. And not only that, but you, individually, bring yourself closer to these places.
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Edited by EternalCowabunga (09/15/07 08:33 AM)
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Icelander
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7412851 - 09/15/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take a look at this message board. Nobody can come to any conclusion, any point. It seems we are making no spiritual progress at all!
I'm sorry to inform you that you don't know WTF you are talking about. So the fact that you are making no spiritual progress only reflects on you dude.;)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7413598 - 09/15/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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*shmoopy gets on knees and clasps hands in petition*
Can we please, please, please get into the Randi thing? What if I turn my S-Rays off for a moment?
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Icelander
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7413620 - 09/15/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're so Randy I suggest OTD.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7413890 - 09/15/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander, at the end of the day, debating on this forum isn't really getting you anywhere. You are just indulging death anxiety, how can this be healthy?
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7413896 - 09/15/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear baiting Icelander is one of the most acute forms of death anxiety.
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7413915 - 09/15/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everything we do is because of death anxiety. So what really matters is choosing ways to deal with it that are not so harmful to wellbeing and happiness. I have learned a lot about myself here and gained some self control on self-importance (still a long way to go though). It's also entertaining and so isn't that harmful to me. I'm sure there are better things I might do and worse. This is what I have chosen for now.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: Lion]
#7413924 - 09/15/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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I hear baiting Icelander is one of the most acute forms of death anxiety.
Not an easy thing to do.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: Icelander]
#7413932 - 09/15/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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terrifying
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: Lion]
#7413939 - 09/15/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I knew you'd be impressed.
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: Icelander]
#7415078 - 09/16/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i find I am doing things out of interest or out of inertia and habit. it is possible that a death anxiety is somewhere in there but I am not that interested in that direction.
I like to watch. particularly I like to watch how the efforts of mind cascade every moment. i really find that interesting - i can watch it seemingly endlessly until I get distracted by some extra buzz content.
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Re: History is not a futile addition of 1s and 0s but a meaningful addition of 1s and 0s [Re: redgreenvines]
#7417815 - 09/16/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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but I am not that interested in that direction.
That doesn't surprise me. That's what I'm constantly posting about.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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