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Ready for pinning triggers? (pic)
#7412335 - 09/15/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just thought I'd get some feedback about whether this casing is ready to be exposed to FAE and light. It's been colonizing for the past week or so, with 1 patching. Sorry for the somewhat blurry picture.

When initiating pinning, is the humidity supposed to drop, rise, or stay the same? I always forget...
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7412380 - 09/15/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks good. I let mine go a few days past the point you're showing in the pic, but plenty of people seem to like that level with no ill effects.
Keep your humidity up. Humidity change isn't a pinning trigger per se, but if your humidity is too low you simply won't get pins (much less healthy fruits).
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7412386 - 09/15/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pin it, IMO you should have put it in the FC after you patched.
Keep your RH up 95+ , but drop your temps to 70-73 area, and introduce light and plenty of FAE.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#7412394 - 09/15/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psssht, nobody who asks this has got their GH on a thermostat. Temp drop is mostly a magic rain dance anyway, you're dealing with a change of less degrees than fingers on my hand.
Anyway, some people fruit straight after casing. It's something I've never had the balls to try, but it seems like the most logical thing in the world. Can I ask opinions, despite the risk of derailing?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7412519 - 09/15/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The last casing I tried I initiated fruiting a bit earlier and got pretty lackluster results. Of course, I did a number of other things wrong then.
I forgot to mention that this is a monotub, but I'm not sure it matters.
How does does a casing layer continue to colonize after initiating pinning? I'm guessing it doesn't stop instantaneously. If it'll continue going for a few days, I should probably start pinning today.
I'd be interested in the answer to figgusfiddus' question as well. If a casing layer has not been colonized, how will the mushrooms be able to respond to external factors such as light and FAE?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7412533 - 09/15/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes it will still keep colonizing for a couple of days after you stick it in there. It's not going to pin right away, prolly more like a week from now.
Thats why I always stick it into fruiting after I patch so I'm sure not to run into problems with overlay. I think this answers figgusfiduss questions as to why and what the methods behind my madness are?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#7412821 - 09/15/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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When initiating pinning, is the humidity supposed to drop, rise, or stay the same? I always forget...
As close to 100% humidity as you can maintain, while allowing plenty of fresh air exchange. RR
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7413211 - 09/15/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the responses!
I'm thinking about augmenting the FAE/humidity in the monotub using a Tropicaire humidifier/air exchanger hooked up to a Whisper 10 air pump.
I know that monotubs are not supposed to require additional humidity and FAE if you put it in a ventilated room, but I think the holes I drilled are a bit too small (only about 1/2" each -- 4 at the bottom, 4 at the top). What do you think about piping in some extra humidity and air through one of the holes?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7413320 - 09/15/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The holes are probably fine. You want the bottom holes to be very near to the surface of the casing. CO2 will spill out the bottom holes and air will come in the top. Its simple gravity and CO2 is heavier than air. You can always just fan it out if you are worried. The casing should provide good humidity if it is moist enough. You really don't need a humidifier for monotubs. Maybe a few more holes, and take out the polyfill, you don't need it. You are opening the thing and its as contaminated as its going to get by this point.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: calicyco]
#7413583 - 09/15/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drilling more holes will plastic shards all over the place. I know it doesn't hurt anything, but still a mess I'd like to prevent. 
I guess I'm more concerned with FAE than humidity. I'll be gone in a couple of days for a week and won't have an opportunity to fan. The Tropicaire, at least on paper, seems like a good way to supply FAE automatically without losing humidity. I'm just curious if people have had any experience that have proven that or otherwise.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7413765 - 09/15/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would certainly work, however so will just leaving them alone. Its up to you, both methods are used by many folks. If you use the tropicaire, test it out for a few hours and see if too much condensation forms. If so, put it on a timer. You dont want heavy droplets forming and wetting things, thats a recipe for disaster. More air exchange is always better, but neglect works as well.
You'll probably come home to a ton of mushrooms and spores everywhere :-)
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: calicyco]
#7413771 - 09/15/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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calicyco said: You'll probably come home to a ton of mushrooms and spores everywhere :-)
Hehe, that is exactly what I'm hoping for! There will be pictures, if so.
Will also try to do a time lapse, so I hope I at least get to see the action on video!
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7413847 - 09/15/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey does anyone know if a monotub will work without holes drilled into it?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7413907 - 09/15/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CO2 will spill out the bottom holes and air will come in the top. Its simple gravity and CO2 is heavier than air.
Mind explaining why I'm not suffocating, seeing as how I'm on the earth's surface, and the CO2 has yet to suffocate me?
CO2 will mix with the air. You'll want lots of holes, preferably some mechanized way of exchanging air. If anything the evaporation of moisture off your casing mix will spur airflow upward.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7414128 - 09/15/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mastamike1118 said: hey does anyone know if a monotub will work without holes drilled into it?
If so why would every monotub that works have holes in it ??
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7414173 - 09/15/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CaptainLinger said:
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CO2 will spill out the bottom holes and air will come in the top. Its simple gravity and CO2 is heavier than air.
Mind explaining why I'm not suffocating, seeing as how I'm on the earth's surface, and the CO2 has yet to suffocate me?
CO2 will mix with the air. You'll want lots of holes, preferably some mechanized way of exchanging air. If anything the evaporation of moisture off your casing mix will spur airflow upward.
you're not suffocating because there's WAY more oxygen than co2, and there's also air currents ALL OVER THE WORLD. kthx
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Optx]
#7414668 - 09/15/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are in the bottom 3% of the atmosphere, and would die. There are also air currents indoors (does your blazing hot cigarette smoke shoot straight up?). It's why your entire house gets infected with mold spores, not just the area near the mold. In addition the transpiration of water into the atmosphere from your casing layer causes swirling of air (the concept is used to provide . To say nothing of that if your air is so still that a concentration of CO2 forms and "spills" out the bottom (more than the 3% it constitutes naturally), you'd have a toxic thick cloud of CO2 surrounding your mycelium.
It's a myth based on repeated poorly thought-out posts. Please stop spreading it.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7418272 - 09/16/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, the CO2 spilling out the bottom holes because CO2 is heavier rationale seems dubious. I was pretty sure FAE was dependent on a source of air movement in the room, such as an oscillating fan.
I ended up hooking up the Tropicaire with a hygrometer in there. There is also a ceiling vent in the room near the tub that's always blowing air. The Tropicaire seems to have no trouble keeping it from drying things out, but I'll see what it takes to keep it at 100% without oversaturating.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7418601 - 09/17/07 12:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience (and I do mean, in my experience...only. It's somewhat limited.), humidity is overemphasized. I've grown in monotubs with a casing layer that has been sprayed occasionally, with gaps of 2 days, in a room with 20% ambient humidity, top open. Cubes that are grown with vastly inappropriate humidity (say, less than 65% RH) will exhibit cracking, but at least for me, yield pretty much equally as much dry.
Which is to say...you should aim for high humidity, it will likely help your dry yields. A hydrometer is helpful, but once pinned and adequately cared for, your guys will be just fine with conscious watering and humidity control. I'd overinvest in a pressure cooker before a precision humidity control system
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7418731 - 09/17/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CaptainLinger said: In my experience (and I do mean, in my experience...only. It's somewhat limited.), humidity is overemphasized. I've grown in monotubs with a casing layer that has been sprayed occasionally, with gaps of 2 days, in a room with 20% ambient humidity, top open. Cubes that are grown with vastly inappropriate humidity (say, less than 65% RH) will exhibit cracking, but at least for me, yield pretty much equally as much dry.
Which is to say...you should aim for high humidity, it will likely help your dry yields. A hydrometer is helpful, but once pinned and adequately cared for, your guys will be just fine with conscious watering and humidity control. I'd overinvest in a pressure cooker before a precision humidity control system
thats quite a statement cpt........ any chance of pics to substantiate the claim??
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Vegan]
#7419276 - 09/17/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nope!
If I grew any psychoactives once, I'm not keen on posting pictures . Anyhow I don't think I made any definitive claim, and some pretty pics of healthy mushrooms wouldn't show that I get very lazy with my watering/humidity control.
And I wouldn't disregard humidity, either. I actually hooked my tubs back up to humidifiers last night after writing that. There's just a lot of focus on getting that last 10% of humidity, and IME it matters very little. I'd be more interested to see what HippieChick, and a few others have to say, if I was you.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7419510 - 09/17/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used an aquarium air pump with the stones in an bottle with holes in the bottle. Polyfill and water inside as a sole means of FEA and humidity control. I fruited pooh cakes but the RH never dropped below 95 and was usually around 100% I got plenty of pins from the cakes too. It is a cheap and effective means that worked for me. The bottle was glued to the lid next to the floro. with the holes in the top for pouring water in and letting moist air out. I also had holes around the substrate level. I plan on builing a greenhouse using similar fae and humidity augmentations.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: AFOD]
#7419534 - 09/17/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stuffing polyfill for no reason in your FAE holes is generally a poor idea. When you're trying to exchange air, why would you block it? Mushrooms do not need to grow in sterile air.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7419561 - 09/17/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The polyfil was used to further diffuse the water creating more of a misting effect. I originally had the bubble stones in just water, they did not put off as much humidity. FAE seemed to be adequate as I got pretty good pins from the cakes. Each cake was anout 2 lbs. and each flush yielded about 20-30 pins, total wieght from each cake was about 4 oz. I am sure that I would have done much better casing these, but it was my first grow. So now I know where to go. I am thikning that if more FAE could be added without reducing RH it would be beneficial, though I will be figuring out how to do this without purchasing expensive equipment. I.E. a cpu fan, the ultrasonic vaporizer from a used humidifier and a piece of pvc. Which from what I understand is basically a home made tropic-aire system. Oh well, I have no intention of mass producing them or selling them, just fabricating my own. For the grow that I did the system I used worked pretty well. I have casings almost ready to go now, for which I will use this system again, until I get said other system built and ready. We'll see how it goes
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: AFOD]
#7419564 - 09/17/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, okay. I thought you were trying to filter air...I hadn't thought that polyfill absorbed much water. Might want to try perlite...does the polyfill get nice and soaked, though?
Sounds like you have a good setup. I'm still a little low on both humidity and FAE the way I'm setup, but I maintain noobs should really focus on their sterile technique and get some experience before stressing out over an elaborate FAE/humidity system. See if you enjoy cultivating first, then do it well
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7419603 - 09/17/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm still anoob but I love this hobby. My next project is going to involve several different strains and species and a huge fruiting setup. More like a walk in closet. I'm getting materials gathered as we speak. Hey! I dont mean to hijak, yeah pin those now. I hope I have helped with some ideas for FAE and humidity. In closing I have about 200-300 lbs of hpooh and I have birch trees and alder planks and a saw. Keep growing friend it is fun as hell! and almost everything you need can be built for next to nothing. Best of luck. Let's see them pins in a week or so. I just love porn, especially of the myco genre.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: AFOD]
#7419611 - 09/17/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Worth noting that I use an ultrasonic humidifier, one of the $5 ones from goodwill, for both humidity, and FAE. I just run hoses directly from the fan. It's not the Vicks style, rather has a *giant* fan that's made to move air once it's humidified. This, duct taped to some hose work, provides proper FAE and humidity, for a total of 10 dollars.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7421742 - 09/17/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks Cap'n. Having had a rather lackluster first grow I am doing everything I can to get it right this time. I've been reading a ton on this forum. The Tropicaire was left from that last grow (bought a kit) so it was sunk cost already.
Anyways, an update...
Had the Tropicaire on a 4 hr on 2 hr off cycle throughout the day yesterday and today. Humidity seems to be constant at 99%, but then again my hygrometer may simply not go to 100%, haha...
There does not seem to be excessive condensation buildup on the sides and the lid has only fine condensation so nothing is raining down. However, I did just take a peek in just now and there is very, very fine moisture on the mycelium. Only visible if looking really close. I don't think this is bad but I think I'm going to reduce the Tropicaire to a 2 hr on 2 hr off cycle. Is there such thing as too much humidity?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: AFOD]
#7421792 - 09/17/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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AFOD said: Hey! I dont mean to hijak, yeah pin those now. I hope I have helped with some ideas for FAE and humidity. In closing I have about 200-300 lbs of hpooh and I have birch trees and alder planks and a saw. Keep growing friend it is fun as hell! and almost everything you need can be built for next to nothing. Best of luck. Let's see them pins in a week or so. I just love porn, especially of the myco genre.
Thanks AFOD! No worries, and thanks for your ideas. 
I introduced pinning conditions almost exactly 48 hours ago. Temps tend to get in the lower 80s during the day and drop down to around 70 at night. Not exactly cold shocking, but I imagine Costa Rica has some pretty balmy weather . They're sitting by a window with partially drawn blinds so they're getting plenty of indirect sunlight.
This is definitely a great hobby and I look forward to improving my techniques over time. I'm very anxious to see how this one turns out.
Unfortunately I'll be gone for a week in 2 days, so most likely I won't be able to take pictures of it starting to pin. However, I look forward to snapping a few pictures of a spore-ridden tub full of shrooms when I get back!
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7426379 - 09/18/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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co2 constitutes less than 3%, so let's get your misinformation out of the way first, it's .03%.
and here's a video called "Kid's Science Experiment To Show CO2 Is Heavier Than Air"
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