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Ready for pinning triggers? (pic)
#7412335 - 09/15/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just thought I'd get some feedback about whether this casing is ready to be exposed to FAE and light. It's been colonizing for the past week or so, with 1 patching. Sorry for the somewhat blurry picture.

When initiating pinning, is the humidity supposed to drop, rise, or stay the same? I always forget...
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Edited by archivist (09/15/07 08:19 AM)
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7412380 - 09/15/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks good. I let mine go a few days past the point you're showing in the pic, but plenty of people seem to like that level with no ill effects.
Keep your humidity up. Humidity change isn't a pinning trigger per se, but if your humidity is too low you simply won't get pins (much less healthy fruits).
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7412386 - 09/15/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pin it, IMO you should have put it in the FC after you patched.
Keep your RH up 95+ , but drop your temps to 70-73 area, and introduce light and plenty of FAE.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#7412394 - 09/15/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psssht, nobody who asks this has got their GH on a thermostat. Temp drop is mostly a magic rain dance anyway, you're dealing with a change of less degrees than fingers on my hand.
Anyway, some people fruit straight after casing. It's something I've never had the balls to try, but it seems like the most logical thing in the world. Can I ask opinions, despite the risk of derailing?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7412519 - 09/15/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The last casing I tried I initiated fruiting a bit earlier and got pretty lackluster results. Of course, I did a number of other things wrong then.
I forgot to mention that this is a monotub, but I'm not sure it matters.
How does does a casing layer continue to colonize after initiating pinning? I'm guessing it doesn't stop instantaneously. If it'll continue going for a few days, I should probably start pinning today.
I'd be interested in the answer to figgusfiddus' question as well. If a casing layer has not been colonized, how will the mushrooms be able to respond to external factors such as light and FAE?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7412533 - 09/15/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes it will still keep colonizing for a couple of days after you stick it in there. It's not going to pin right away, prolly more like a week from now.
Thats why I always stick it into fruiting after I patch so I'm sure not to run into problems with overlay. I think this answers figgusfiduss questions as to why and what the methods behind my madness are?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: pinkfloydms]
#7412821 - 09/15/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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When initiating pinning, is the humidity supposed to drop, rise, or stay the same? I always forget...
As close to 100% humidity as you can maintain, while allowing plenty of fresh air exchange. RR
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7413211 - 09/15/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the responses!
I'm thinking about augmenting the FAE/humidity in the monotub using a Tropicaire humidifier/air exchanger hooked up to a Whisper 10 air pump.
I know that monotubs are not supposed to require additional humidity and FAE if you put it in a ventilated room, but I think the holes I drilled are a bit too small (only about 1/2" each -- 4 at the bottom, 4 at the top). What do you think about piping in some extra humidity and air through one of the holes?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7413320 - 09/15/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The holes are probably fine. You want the bottom holes to be very near to the surface of the casing. CO2 will spill out the bottom holes and air will come in the top. Its simple gravity and CO2 is heavier than air. You can always just fan it out if you are worried. The casing should provide good humidity if it is moist enough. You really don't need a humidifier for monotubs. Maybe a few more holes, and take out the polyfill, you don't need it. You are opening the thing and its as contaminated as its going to get by this point.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: calicyco]
#7413583 - 09/15/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drilling more holes will plastic shards all over the place. I know it doesn't hurt anything, but still a mess I'd like to prevent. 
I guess I'm more concerned with FAE than humidity. I'll be gone in a couple of days for a week and won't have an opportunity to fan. The Tropicaire, at least on paper, seems like a good way to supply FAE automatically without losing humidity. I'm just curious if people have had any experience that have proven that or otherwise.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7413765 - 09/15/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would certainly work, however so will just leaving them alone. Its up to you, both methods are used by many folks. If you use the tropicaire, test it out for a few hours and see if too much condensation forms. If so, put it on a timer. You dont want heavy droplets forming and wetting things, thats a recipe for disaster. More air exchange is always better, but neglect works as well.
You'll probably come home to a ton of mushrooms and spores everywhere :-)
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: calicyco]
#7413771 - 09/15/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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calicyco said: You'll probably come home to a ton of mushrooms and spores everywhere :-)
Hehe, that is exactly what I'm hoping for! There will be pictures, if so.
Will also try to do a time lapse, so I hope I at least get to see the action on video!
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7413847 - 09/15/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey does anyone know if a monotub will work without holes drilled into it?
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7413907 - 09/15/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CO2 will spill out the bottom holes and air will come in the top. Its simple gravity and CO2 is heavier than air.
Mind explaining why I'm not suffocating, seeing as how I'm on the earth's surface, and the CO2 has yet to suffocate me?
CO2 will mix with the air. You'll want lots of holes, preferably some mechanized way of exchanging air. If anything the evaporation of moisture off your casing mix will spur airflow upward.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7414128 - 09/15/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mastamike1118 said: hey does anyone know if a monotub will work without holes drilled into it?
If so why would every monotub that works have holes in it ??
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7414173 - 09/15/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CaptainLinger said:
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CO2 will spill out the bottom holes and air will come in the top. Its simple gravity and CO2 is heavier than air.
Mind explaining why I'm not suffocating, seeing as how I'm on the earth's surface, and the CO2 has yet to suffocate me?
CO2 will mix with the air. You'll want lots of holes, preferably some mechanized way of exchanging air. If anything the evaporation of moisture off your casing mix will spur airflow upward.
you're not suffocating because there's WAY more oxygen than co2, and there's also air currents ALL OVER THE WORLD. kthx
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: Optx]
#7414668 - 09/15/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are in the bottom 3% of the atmosphere, and would die. There are also air currents indoors (does your blazing hot cigarette smoke shoot straight up?). It's why your entire house gets infected with mold spores, not just the area near the mold. In addition the transpiration of water into the atmosphere from your casing layer causes swirling of air (the concept is used to provide . To say nothing of that if your air is so still that a concentration of CO2 forms and "spills" out the bottom (more than the 3% it constitutes naturally), you'd have a toxic thick cloud of CO2 surrounding your mycelium.
It's a myth based on repeated poorly thought-out posts. Please stop spreading it.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7418272 - 09/16/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, the CO2 spilling out the bottom holes because CO2 is heavier rationale seems dubious. I was pretty sure FAE was dependent on a source of air movement in the room, such as an oscillating fan.
I ended up hooking up the Tropicaire with a hygrometer in there. There is also a ceiling vent in the room near the tub that's always blowing air. The Tropicaire seems to have no trouble keeping it from drying things out, but I'll see what it takes to keep it at 100% without oversaturating.
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: archivist]
#7418601 - 09/17/07 12:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience (and I do mean, in my experience...only. It's somewhat limited.), humidity is overemphasized. I've grown in monotubs with a casing layer that has been sprayed occasionally, with gaps of 2 days, in a room with 20% ambient humidity, top open. Cubes that are grown with vastly inappropriate humidity (say, less than 65% RH) will exhibit cracking, but at least for me, yield pretty much equally as much dry.
Which is to say...you should aim for high humidity, it will likely help your dry yields. A hydrometer is helpful, but once pinned and adequately cared for, your guys will be just fine with conscious watering and humidity control. I'd overinvest in a pressure cooker before a precision humidity control system
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Re: Ready for pinning triggers? (pic) [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7418731 - 09/17/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CaptainLinger said: In my experience (and I do mean, in my experience...only. It's somewhat limited.), humidity is overemphasized. I've grown in monotubs with a casing layer that has been sprayed occasionally, with gaps of 2 days, in a room with 20% ambient humidity, top open. Cubes that are grown with vastly inappropriate humidity (say, less than 65% RH) will exhibit cracking, but at least for me, yield pretty much equally as much dry.
Which is to say...you should aim for high humidity, it will likely help your dry yields. A hydrometer is helpful, but once pinned and adequately cared for, your guys will be just fine with conscious watering and humidity control. I'd overinvest in a pressure cooker before a precision humidity control system
thats quite a statement cpt........ any chance of pics to substantiate the claim??
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