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You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin.
    #7411643 - 09/15/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7411662 - 09/15/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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http://pages.citebite.com/b2f1m4k1g2efl




The thing is: Chances are one of those websites won't contradict Erowid, so you should link to them and shut them up!


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411668 - 09/15/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Im just amazed. I mean its Janis Freaking Joplin! Youd think people there would be more open minded.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411671 - 09/15/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Im trying to get that kozmic dude to reply to me point for point.


Funny thing is i didnt even say anything promoting heroin, all i did was correct a small bit of mis-information.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411678 - 09/15/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

God fuck Amy Whinehouse

Besides the cool last name and the voice that's interesting the first time you hear it, an ugly old big-haired dumbass bitch


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411718 - 09/15/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Suimush, I just made two posts on the forum to help you out :hypno:


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411747 - 09/15/07 01:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

haha i was wondering who that was. LOL.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411765 - 09/15/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411832 - 09/15/07 02:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

suimush on the Janis forum you said that withdrawal can't actually hurt you? :eek: I didn't know that. Are you sure?


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411845 - 09/15/07 02:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well it sucks, but it wont kill you. It wont damage you later after the withdrawl period.

Alcohol withdrawl can actually kill you. and cause lasting damage.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411848 - 09/15/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And another thing. What exactly does an overdose do to the body? It seems strange that there would be only two levels of harm done, none and dead.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411852 - 09/15/07 02:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it depresses the respritory system.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411854 - 09/15/07 02:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Look what some dumbass on that forum wrote: http://pages.citebite.com/g2l1i4f1v9kmw


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Quarryman]
    #7411857 - 09/15/07 02:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems strange that there would be only two levels of harm done, none and dead.




It seems strange, but that's how it is :laugh: Drugs are strange.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411875 - 09/15/07 02:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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it depresses the respritory system.




Ok I geuss that makes since. It's still not not really doing any damage just slowing your heart to where you die from lack of oxygen?


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411884 - 09/15/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well if a person is kept breathing till help arrives they can be revived without harm done to the organs.

Its still a dangerous drug if used improperly but a frying pan can also be dangerous if used improperly.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7411922 - 09/15/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i don't think the shroomery is uptight at all about heroin. i think it should be more uptight about it.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7411949 - 09/15/07 03:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems strange, but that's how it is





Thats not how it is. For one, you can get brain damage from oxygen deprivation from a near fatal OD.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7412045 - 09/15/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I bet he's the sort of guy that would watch Reefer Madness and nod, agreeing with everything said. Poor, scared little lamb.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7412540 - 09/15/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, Wican, but that's a side-effect of the OD. The point is that heroin itself, when used in non-lethal doses, doesn't have any damaging effects on the brain or body.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7412591 - 09/15/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Get a load of this shit:

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Heroin and some hard drugs stay and make your spine fucked up but i'm not quite sure what it actually does.




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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7412602 - 09/15/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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it depresses the respritory system.




it depresses the respiratory but it also gunks up all the receptors in your brain right? I never ever met a happy or light hearted junkie.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412604 - 09/15/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, Wican, but that's a side-effect of the OD. The point is that heroin itself, when used in non-lethal doses, doesn't have any damaging effects on the brain or body.




You believe that?!?! :flowstone:


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #7412606 - 09/15/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"Gunks up the receptors in your brain"? Sure it throws your brain chemistry out-of-balance, temporarily, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't damage (i.e. wear out) your opioid receptors.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #7412613 - 09/15/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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You believe that?!?! :flowstone:




:rolleyes: Ignorance

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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412616 - 09/15/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So you actually know this? As i said i never met a happy junkie ex addict or not.

You ever check out liver disease and how heroin fucks the liver?


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412620 - 09/15/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, a lot of junkie's may be unhealthy, but it's due to not eating/poor nutrition — seriously.

You realize that heroin is just a form of morphine, and is converted to morphine in the brain, right? And you realize that morphine is one of the most popular painkillers there is, and people are hooked up to it IV everyday of their lives?

You're also not taking into account impure heroin. Pure heroin isn't bad for the liver.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412707 - 09/15/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The point is that heroin itself, when used in non-lethal doses, doesn't have any damaging effects on the brain or body.




Every dose you take puts you a step closer to physical dependence and increases the likeliness of you taking another dose. Only when you use a couple of doses in series does this become readily apparent, but there is a price to pay for every dose.

Even an oral dose of Morphine (so any use of Heroin definitely) can cause all this wholesome goodness:

* dizziness
* lightheadedness
* drowsiness
* upset stomach
* vomiting
* constipation
* diarrhea
* loss of appetite
* weight loss
* changes in ability to taste food
* dry mouth
* sweating
* weakness
* headache
* agitation
* nervousness
* mood changes
* confusion
* difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep
* stiff muscles
* shaking of a part of your body that you cannot control
* double vision
* red eyes
* small pupils (black circles in the middle of the eyes
* eye movements that you cannot control
* chills
* flu symptoms
* decreased sexual desire or ability
* difficulty urinating or pain when urinating

Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately:

* slow, shallow, or irregular breathing
* blue or purple color to the skin
* fast or slow heartbeat
* seizures
* hallucinations (seeing things or hearing voices that do not exist)
* blurred vision
* fainting
* hives
* rash
* itching
* tightness in the throat
* difficulty swallowing
* swelling of the arms, hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs


You fell for the heroin lore, the seduction of opiates and the image around it. You may find yourself trying to explain the above list away.

In a way you're buying into a "heroin is harmless" myth. That means you are in the dangerzone of getting addicted, even if you have never used.

If you want to dance with a Demon then that is up to you, but for the love of YOU never let the dance take your mind off the fact that you're dancing it with a Demon, nothing less.

I use Opium tea myself, so don't say I'm biased just to dismiss my warning.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412716 - 09/15/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno, I think you guys are going the other way with this- too liberal. Heroin is worse for you than you guys make it out to be.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7412739 - 09/15/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The thing is: that's just a list of temporary bullshit, all of which isn't necessarily bad (like "lightheadedness" :smirk:)

All me and suimush aresaying is that heroin doesn't fucking cause permanent brain or bodily damage. And a junky on the street who shoots any heroin they cna get their hands on and hardly ever eats isn't a fucking good example of heroin use — so many fucking variables.

Haven't you ever seen a show where they show the effects of alcohol on the brain and body, usually backing it up by displaying PET scan results and things like that? When was the last time you ever saw anything concrete like that on how heroin degrades your body. All they ever fucking talk about is the external variables like AIDS, fucked up veins (which can be avoided), malnourishment. The fcat of the matter is that in non-lethal doses, heroin isn't inherently bad for you.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412755 - 09/15/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You do realize that junkies shoot up or sniff 20 bags a day right? You do understand that, that is a daily intake of a lot of drugs right? You get me? You think our bodies are made to digest morphine non stop? By the pile? Too much of anything is a bad thing!

I think most people die because of the cut, or the purity.
H in my area is the rest of the countries meth the side walks were at one time covered with junkies and vomit.

They got hepatitis, they went to jail, they got sober or they died. So many of my friends died.

So many died that i would straight up dropkick someone in the face if they tried to sell me that shit, hell I'd dropkick them in the face for doing it.

I hate how it ruins lives, i hate what it did to all the people i knew.

See you can say they chose to do it, but when you are 16 and on the streets, you didn't choose to be there, you had nowhere else to go. Some scumbag with his pants falling of his ass or some fadded punks got some drugs. They are older then you and you wanna fit in. So you do a bit, now you run with a crew of junkies. Not all of them are out of control, but there is always that hand full. The older crew disperse into the ether the young crew continue the cycle. Looking for the new lost souls.
Addiction~ no money~ theft~ prostitution~ crime~ more drugs ~more crime~ suicide~ jail~ more drugs~ more crime~ more suicides~ more murders~ more crime~ more death~ more jail.

it takes some real balls and a spine to smack the reality of heavy addiction, cuz when you break your family, and you have no one else, you have no where to go, life gets rather shitty. It takes some real balls to get clean. A lot of people never do.

Yet i am a hypocrite. Never did it when i was young when my friends were all about it. I saw how they died and looked like shit, and went to jail. Never wanted to fuck with it.

But then had an accident and was made into a addict over night, ran that way for a couple years till i got my shit straight. Lots of pain and depression followed suit after all the mind candy and numbness. Having feelings after being on a morphine auto piloted cruise ship was wack. Not being able to do anything with out a nice dose to get me started was weird.

I think thats one of the cool things about the drug. It can keep you going when you alone won't. Like after that accident, i was crushed. But the meds kept me high, kept me afloat so i wouldn't sink into the ground so to speak.

I just think that the drug is fire, and it takes real balls and the right mind to use it. Other wise it can become to much, can take to much.

People have the right to choose. But they also have the right to have quality stuff. I don't want my kids going to the ghetto someday to by drugs of a bunch of ghetto thug killers.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7412773 - 09/15/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

See back in the day one perc or an ox would get me high. Now if i have one I get sick and puke. Yeah thats a real good thing.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412798 - 09/15/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The fcat of the matter is that in non-lethal doses, heroin isn't inherently bad for you.




Thats rather academic.

You assume availability of pharmaceutically pure heroin. Thats not reality. And when people develop a problem with the substance, you are discounting them from the list because "it is their fault".

In your line of reasoning meth is OK too, just stick to 5 mg a day orally right?

You want it to be safe. It is not.

Quote:

And a junky on the street who shoots any heroin they cna get their hands on and hardly ever eats isn't a fucking good example of heroin use




Initial responsible use often leads to the junkie on the street. Not so with pot. There are no pot junkies anywhere in the world but there are in fact heroin junkies everywhere in the world.
Thats not the peoples fault, unless potsmokers are better people than heroin users.

And how do you want to use that heroin?

Swallow it? no one does that.
Snort it? mucous membrane damage.
Inject it? artery wall damage.
Smoke it? lung damage.

If you expose rats (who have no cultural bias against heroin abuse) to a supply of heroin, most of them will in fact become addicts. They will become junkies. The only way not to become a junkie is by going against your nature, to walk the path of most resistance for the rest of your life. Many can't.

Heroin rubs your brain the wrong way and makes you increasingly inclined to abuse. That sir is HARM.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7412863 - 09/15/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

We pretty much agree with each other :thumbup:

Hey, Wiccan, is smoking impure street heroin cause for concern? I've been wanting to get into opium, but opium's rare; heroin would be easier to get, but I'm concerned about vaporizing all the things it could be cut with? Am I just being paranoid and is it pretty much just has safe as opium, which is a crude substance?


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: JunkFood]
    #7412910 - 09/15/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #7412931 - 09/15/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

what creepy motherfuckers. They talk about those people like they fucking knew them personally


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7412967 - 09/15/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What's up?


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #7413141 - 09/15/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the people on the site talk about the artists as if they were best buds with them.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7413156 - 09/15/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I never identify with that. I know what you mean when people do that. When friends talk about musicians like that my mind kinda goes blank.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #7413245 - 09/15/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

there's no such thing as an ex-junkie.

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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Adom]
    #7413272 - 09/15/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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    #7413405 - 09/15/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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there's no such thing as an ex-junkie.

never forget.





I found out to my dismay that even goes for smoking ciggies. And Marlboro never delivered Paradise at my doorstep.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7413523 - 09/15/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i knew a heroin junky that said when she wasn't on it her bones and organs would hurt in a non-specific achey way.

the person quit for like 6 months and still had the achey bones and "organ" pain.


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #7413529 - 09/15/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the eternal brotherhood delivered it to my step a few times.....


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Re: You think the shroomery is uptight about heroin. [Re: sui]
    #7413703 - 09/15/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

prime example of former addicts living healthy productive lives:


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