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Tiger the greatest ever??
#7409851 - 09/14/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll admit to loving golf since I was little. I played to a legit single digit handicap, and worked at a prestigious course in Scottsdale that had a few tour pros around.
This doesn't qualify me for anything other than to say that considering the cruel game golf is, the fact that you must beat EVERYONE in order to win every week (tennis players best 5 or 6 players to win a title no?) and that there are some really good golfers, and would be great if it wasn't for Eldrick winning everything, out there right now, I will go on record and say this..
Even though I grew up on Jordan (from 1985 on)...
Tiger Woods is the most dominating athlete I've ever seen. As a matter of fact, he's the most dominating athlete I've ever heard of.
If you don't think it's Tiger, then who get your vote??
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7409878 - 09/14/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Federer. I'm still not sure which one, but those are the obvious two choices.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7409892 - 09/14/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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here is ESPN's list of the top 100.
i dont really agree with it, but here it is.
1. Michael Jordan 2. Babe Ruth 3. Muhammad Ali 4. Jim Brown 5. Wayne Gretzky 6. Jesse Owens 7. Jim Thorpe 8. Willie Mays 9. Jack Nicklaus 10. Babe Didrikson 11. Joe Louis 12. Carl Lewis 13. Wilt Chamberlain 14. Hank Aaron 15. Jackie Robinson 16. Ted Williams 17. Magic Johnson 18. Bill Russell 19. Martina Navratilova 20. Ty Cobb 21. Gordie Howe 22. Joe DiMaggio 23. Jackie Joyner-Kersee 24. Sugar Ray Robinson 25. Joe Montana 26. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 27. Jerry Rice 28. Red Grange 29. Arnold Palmer 30. Larry Bird 31. Bobby Orr 32. Johnny Unitas 33. Mark Spitz 34. Lou Gehrig 35. Secretariat 36. Oscar Robertson 37. Mickey Mantle 38. Ben Hogan 39. Walter Payton 40. Lawrence Taylor 41. Wilma Rudolph 42. Sandy Koufax 43. Julius Erving 44. Bobby Jones 45. Bill Tilden 46. Eric Heiden 47. Edwin Moses 48. Pete Sampras 49. O.J. Simpson 50. Chris Evert 51. Rocky Marciano 52. Jack Dempsey 53. Rafer Johnson 54. Greg Louganis 55. Mario Lemieux 56. Pete Rose 57. Willie Shoemaker 58. Elgin Baylor 59. Billie Jean King 60. Walter Johnson 61. Stan Musial 62. Jerry West 63. Satchel Paige 64. Sammy Baugh 65. Althea Gibson 66. Eddie Arcaro 67. Bob Gibson 68. Al Oerter 69. Bonnie Blair 70. Dick Butkus 71. Roberto Clemente 72. Bo Jackson 73. Josh Gibson 74. Deion Sanders 75. Dan Marino 76. Barry Sanders 77. Cy Young 78. Bob Mathias 79. Gale Sayers 80. A.J. Foyt 81. Jimmy Connors 82. Bobby Hull 83. Honus Wagner 84. Man o' War 85. Maurice Richard 86. Otto Graham 87. Henry Armstrong 88. Joe Namath 89. Rogers Hornsby 90. Richard Petty 91. Bob Beamon 92. Mario Andretti 93. Don Hutson 94. Bob Cousy 95. George Blanda 96. Michael Johnson 97. Citation 98. Don Budge 99. Sam Snead 100. Jack Johnson
I would put Ali, Jordan, Woods, Federer and Gretzsky as the top 5.
This list must be old... but atleast it gives the meat of all the greatest players.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: jewunit]
#7409909 - 09/14/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah Federer is amazing. Played and followed Tennis most of my life and I really thought nobody would touch Sampras for a while. Roger will have it done soon.
Two thoughts.
Doesn't Tiger have the considerable edge because he beats almost ALL of the top ranked players over 4 days in order to win a tourney? Along with the fact that he that there's really no weak area of his game and he wins in all conditions from Augusta to St. Andrews.
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I haven't followed tennis closely in some time and while I know we have some future HOF'ers out on tour (and a few in the making if they don't let the fact that they're going to get "Jordan'ed" a lot by Tiger over their careers) how strong is the men's scene? Is Roger really beating anyone, or is it a case of weak competition? Not to take away anything from him, even if they are weak, they're still the best and he annihilates them all.
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I looked up and didn't see the bottom of your post. People do have a tendency to forget Wayne. But I would argue that while he made others better, he had AMAZING talent around him on those Oiler teams. Kuri, Messier, Fuhr to name a few. And they were still good/great without him. Unlike anyone Jordan ever played with. Still top 10 at least.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7409922 - 09/14/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beckham isnt bad, and I didnt follow soccer when I was 2 so I cant really say how badass Pele was, but shouldnt he be up there?
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Top 10?? Maybe. I'm American and I agree with one of my favorite writers when he says that American soccer is a great sport for those who suck at other sports because so much of it is really just running around. Not to say that they aren't athlete's, but besides scoring, there have to be other areas (goal tending, defense) that must require skill. I just wouldn't know how to measure them if my life depended on it.
No disrespect intended to football players who have skills. They know who they are
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7410015 - 09/14/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In no particular order here is my top 10:
Jordan Ali Jim Brown Federer Woods Gretzsky Owens Ruth Thorpe Nicklaus
In a couple years I'm pretty sure Woods and Federer will be the one and two on that list, even ahead of Jordan. Sid the Kid will also be on that list, possibly higher than The Great One himself.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7410084 - 09/14/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7410183 - 09/14/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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1988 slam dunk competition in Chicago. Jordan needed I believe at least a 49.7 to tie Nique' and missed the first run at it, and of course nailed the 2nd.
Haven't seen it since, and won't watch it again
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: jewunit]
#7410190 - 09/14/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good call on Crosby. What are the odds that Pittsburgh ended up with him and Mario?? It was Mario's karma I tell you.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7410221 - 09/14/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tiger may or may not be a great athlete but that is something we will never know since he plays glorified lawn darts for a living. Don't get me wrong, I think golf is difficult, but so is croquet.
Left off the list: Rickie Henderson If you don't know about him you have no idea of what an athlete is.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7410261 - 09/14/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get the idea the argument here is more so who was/is the most dominant in their sport. I also think that one of the reasons Tiger is so much better than everyone else is because he's a phenomenal athlete, especially when compared to his lazy-ass peers.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7410262 - 09/14/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Today I am the greatest of all time".
Later that night Ryan goes off for his 7th no hitter at 44 and upstages him. Poor Ricky. The greatest lead off hitter ever by far, the greatest base stealer ever, by far, and all anyone remembers him for (for the most part) is that he was the first athlete to talk about himself in the 3rd person.
"Ricky is going to do for Ricky, what Ricky needs to do".
I LOVED Ricky Henderson.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7410347 - 09/14/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I want to nominate Steve Prefontaine for the top 10.
At one point he held the American record in every single running event and did this before the age of 24 when he died. If he hadnt died at such a young age, he would have been a multi-medal winner at a few olympics and be a household name.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7410355 - 09/14/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And Nolan Ryan was marginally better than an average pitcher for 25 years. Oddly enough, that and a whole pile of meaningless stats gets you into the hall. Who knew?
jewunit: the quote from the first post was this: "dominating athlete I've ever seen"
We'll never know since he hasn't tackled an athletic endeavor
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7410368 - 09/14/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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True.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: jewunit]
#7410389 - 09/14/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember him best for beating the shit out of Ventura (is that right?) when he charged the mound.
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Yep, fucking decked him.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7410491 - 09/14/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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nobody is with me on Steve prefontaine?
it is pretty dominating when you hold every single possible record in your sport.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7410716 - 09/14/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I always found that to be weird. I don't think my sarcasm come through too well on the net. I was all about Ricky and didn't get the whole, "Nolan stole the day" thing.
I swear it was the fact that he was maybe the first multi-media "old" athlete and the old timers running things had a woodrow for him. Ricky was THE MAN in so many ways for so long, yet I very clearly remember that day and how Ricky was basically being made out to be the loud mouth, Oakley wrap around wearing, neon green glove egotistical black man who was tooting his own horn and Nolan was the down to earth, honest hard working good ol' boy who.... ah forget it.
Although you gotta admit when Robin Ventura ran out and he put him in a headlock at full speed and started dropping bombs on his head, THAT was true greatness.
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Re: Tiger the greatest ever?? [Re: jewunit]
#7410723 - 09/14/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phil has boobs. I have to admit the argument against golf is solid based on the fact that anytime the "best" in the world is a man with boobies, maybe we're not talking about the highest levels of true sport.
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Two things, with the kids going off, I missed what y'all said about the Ventura fight 
And I'm with you on Pre, it's just that half of the country can't remember when track and field was still huge and to be an Olympian a big deal, including me.
Domination must be the key word here by my own standards, and Pre is certainly there.
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