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what is this world coming to?
    #7409599 - 09/14/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I just got some bhut jolokia, habanero and tabasco seeds from the chile pepper institute today.. of the 3 different seed packets i got only one came with a "unauthorized propagation prohibited" sticker on the back.. the bhut jolokia..

"All rights to produce or sell seeds derived from this seed resides solely with the chile pepper institute. by opening this envelope, you acknowledge this ownership and agree to this condition. if you do not wish to be bound by these terms, all seed must be destroyed or return to the chile pepper institute."

is this legit or just a fake threat? cause id like to grow them for seeds and pass them around to other people cause there is only one legit source of these seeds right now (the chile pepper institute of new mexico)


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7409648 - 09/14/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt theyd be able to catch you spreading the seeds, and like i said who the hell are they to say you cant trade seeds from a plant?


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7409654 - 09/14/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

who the hell gives them the right to set claim to mother nature anyways?


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7409910 - 09/14/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah man you can't patent mother natures processes.
 
  like yeah I am about to patent human birth.  if I find out anybody gives birth without my consent they are in deep shit :tongue:


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7409917 - 09/14/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

not only that, IF they did catch you, how would the prove that the seeds you are giving away originally came from one of their seeds. Just tell them you found a wild plant and picked a pepper an grew those seeds....

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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: supra]
    #7409930 - 09/14/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

they really dont have the right to say you couldnt give out seeds as a result of your growing the plants from the seed you bought from them.

have you heard of the genetically modified veggies and fruits that don't produce seeds??? that way the farmer has to go buy new seeds every year from the same place.
money fucking hungry bastards


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410024 - 09/14/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you know, fuck them. im going to grow all the seeds, produce as many fruits as possible and collect the seeds and give them out to memebers or trade them.. :^)


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: cpw1971]
    #7410081 - 09/14/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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they really dont have the right to say you couldnt give out seeds as a result of your growing the plants from the seed you bought from them.

have you heard of the genetically modified veggies and fruits that don't produce seeds??? that way the farmer has to go buy new seeds every year from the same place.
money fucking hungry bastards




Just a thought: Where do you think the money for R&D comes from?
It doesn't pour from the sky that's for sure.


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: Nalim]
    #7410090 - 09/14/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That is not to say that I do not agree with the deformedreality : The fuckers shouldn't get away with keeping a species/subspecies for themselves.


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410128 - 09/14/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

basically the terms of agreement only apply to me.. so if i brake their agreement and give out the seeds than you guys dont have to abide by the agreement right? ;]  If you guys dont know what bhut jalokia is, it was named the worlds hottest pepper of 2007 by Guinness..

http://www.slashfood.com/2007/02/20/guinness-names-worlds-hottest-pepper/

i dont think anyone should be able to lay claim to something that cool ;] erhm.. i mean hot :laugh:


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410140 - 09/14/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:awesome: I want a plant!!


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410184 - 09/14/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:] ill spread the joy later. Ill keep ya in mind k?


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: Nalim]
    #7410191 - 09/14/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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they really dont have the right to say you couldnt give out seeds as a result of your growing the plants from the seed you bought from them.

have you heard of the genetically modified veggies and fruits that don't produce seeds??? that way the farmer has to go buy new seeds every year from the same place.
money fucking hungry bastards




Just a thought: Where do you think the money for R&D comes from?
It doesn't pour from the sky that's for sure.



whats R+D??
so you agree with GM plants????
I think thats fucked up and its also destrying the environment.


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410215 - 09/14/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

research and development. and nalim gave me an idea..

"All rights to produce or sell seeds derived from this seed resides solely with the chile pepper institute."

it says nothing about live plants ;] it directly and clearly states "seeds"


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: cpw1971]
    #7410304 - 09/14/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

GMOs are cheaper, better and in some environments the only feasible way to grow. Thanks to GMOs millions who would have starved to death would now be dead.

Without money to R&D the GMOs couldn't have been developed and without a commercial gain in developing them there would have not been any investors. Sometimes making GMOs infertile is the only way to be able to earn anything from developing them and without that millions would die from starvation and poverty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug
Said to have saved a billion people.


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410334 - 09/14/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you have a point, i totally agree.. but not like anyone is planning on mass producing crops of bhut jolokia, not that many people would buy them and go through them very fast.. im suprised this pepper is even legal in this country at this moment.. The u.s. government has banned very hot peppers before in the past.

Habenero are 80,000+ scovials
Jolokia are 1,000,000+ scovials

Now if it were a special breed of bell pepper, i could understand restricting its spread because there is a big market for bell peppers (2 dollars a piece..) i spend more money each month on bell peppers than i do on gas and i drive a lot ( 40 miles to the gallon :] )


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410357 - 09/14/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, I'm not arguing for the developers of bhut jolokia. I don't feel anyone has any right to keep a crop to themselves if it hasn't got some kind of built in "piracy protection"(:lol:) like infertility.

If you can propagate and spread it I feel that you have the right to do so.

I just don't agree with cpw's idea that the people who make GMO's that cant be propagated by the consumers are "money fucking hungry bastards" as they actually save lives.


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410388 - 09/14/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

plus it took them time and money and time is money so money 2x to develop the GMO's If they can get away with it, more power to them.


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: deformedreality]
    #7410469 - 09/14/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is a state University. Hence, taxes and tuition mostly pay for their work.(or at least the people of New Mexico do)

It seems by this threat that they just want to have a monopoly on this pepper for as long as they can until it becomes widespread in the states....


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Re: what is this world coming to? [Re: Nalim]
    #7410546 - 09/14/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah Nalim theres many things that can go wrong with GM crops though.
http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/MaeWanHo/corporation.pdf


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