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How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be?
    #7408371 - 09/14/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I remember reading somewhere about how an anti-drug organization did a TV commercial using a stroke patient's brain to represent a something-user's brain; and the ad was pulled. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Are anti-drug organizations legally obligated to tell the truth (they just do it in the worst way possible)?


Edited by JunkFood (09/14/07 10:13 AM)


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7408375 - 09/14/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What do you think? Isn't it obvious that they can present any anecdotes they choose and promote them as facts.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7408452 - 09/14/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it would be really easy to make such commercials against anything.

"my friend, she has a problem, she eats all the time now...

she used to play ball with me now all she does is sit on a couch, sometimes i seriously wonder if she will ever be able to have fun again. i miss the old mary."

dramatic black and white zoom in of mary stuffing her fat face.

TRUTH...


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7408476 - 09/14/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

They don't have to be (and often aren't) truthful. They spew propaganda, hyperbole, and exaggerations. But, we all know that.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7408485 - 09/14/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Don't you find it hilarious how the anti-drug people wail about the "death and destruction" caused by drugs? How many people have died because of marijuana? How many people have died because of psychedelics?

How many people die every year because of fatty food? Because of automobile accidents?

Hm...


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7408494 - 09/14/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you find it hilarious how the anti-drug people wail about the "death and destruction" caused by drugs. How many people have died because of marijuana? How many people have died because of psychedelics?

How many people die every year because of fatty food? Because of Drinking and Driving ?

Hm...




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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7408502 - 09/14/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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They don't have to be (and often aren't) truthful. They spew propaganda, hyperbole, and exaggerations. But, we all know that.




Apparantly not.

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RandalFlagg said:
Don't you find it hilarious how the anti-drug people wail about the "death and destruction" caused by drugs? How many people have died because of marijuana? How many people have died because of psychedelics?

How many people die every year because of fatty food? Because of automobile accidents?




Let's not leave "hard" drugs looking bad either. The number of people that die from hard drugs is very small compared to alcohol and tobacco.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7408732 - 09/14/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think if they sold pure heroin at bars and lounges that would be a very different story though.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: pong]
    #7408745 - 09/14/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think if they sold pure heroin at bars and lounges there would be A LOT LESS overdoses. Since you knew it was pure you'd know how to dose it as opposed to street heroin where the purity is a variable.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7408758 - 09/14/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

maybe a lesser percent of overdoses per user, but i think the sheer number of users in that kind of situation would off set that.

there are alot of stupid people in this world, i mean people even manage to drink themselves to death with beer.

im no expert though


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: pong]
    #7408775 - 09/14/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i think if they sold pure heroin at bars and lounges that would be a very different story though.




I doubt it.

Heroin was legal for years before it was made illegal...you could go into a drug store and buy it. As early as 1897 is was being marketed to the general public (by Bayer...) and it wasn't made illegal in the US until 1924.

It's just not something that will ever be sold in "bars and lounges", legal or not. If it were legal you would have your "heroin dens" and such, and people would die, but heroin will never be a very "big" drug (meaning in the way alcohol or even pot is).

That sounds too close to the "if it was legal, everyone would do it" line used by the prohibitionists.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7408784 - 09/14/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Not honest at all. Drug information organizations are usually propaganda distributors rather than honest. Erowid and sites like this one are the exception, not the rule.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: pong]
    #7408787 - 09/14/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

But is that a very common thing?

I know people who have gotten in drunk driving accidents and were killed. I even know of people who did something stupid while drunk and got killed.

I don't know, or know of, anyone who died straight from alcohol OD. I'm not saying it doesn't happen...I'm just questioning it's commonality.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: trendal]
    #7408794 - 09/14/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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But is that a very common thing?

I know people who have gotten in drunk driving accidents and were killed. I even know of people who did something stupid while drunk and got killed.

I don't know, or know of, anyone who died straight from alcohol OD. I'm not saying it doesn't happen...I'm just questioning it's commonality.



My little sister nearly died from alcohol poisoning when she was 16. She was in the ICU and she crashed. It took heroic actions and artificial life support to save her life.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #7408806 - 09/14/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"I'm not saying it doesn't happen...I'm just questioning it's commonality."

:wink:


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: trendal]
    #7408882 - 09/14/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

By the time I graduated high school I knew of at least 3 or 4 people who would have died is they didn't receive medical attention from an Alcohol OD, and I can't say I know of one drug overdose that occured in the same time period. Not to say there wasn't one, but I've seen a lot riskier behavior and more potential Od's stemming from alcohol use then drug usage. Alcohol just tends to bring out the stupid in people, and there's plenty of stupid (and alcohol) going around at a high school keg party.


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Re: How truthful do anti-drug organizations have to be? [Re: Psilopsychedelic]
    #7408916 - 09/14/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I wanted to draw a clear line between death from alcohol OD and death from alcohol-induced stupidity. In my personal experience, the latter is far more common than the former.

Note again I am not saying that alcohol OD's don't happen...they happen far more than I would like...just that I don't have any experience with them.


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