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Re: What is nature? What is natural? [Re: Seuss]
    #7421759 - 09/17/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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> so where are you getting the 100% pure 'natural' water from .. because i dont know of any myself

Exactly the point.  Water is water.  Water with stuff in it is water with stuff in it.  "Natural" is a concept that people attribute to "things" in order to make them sound better somehow.  Marketing at its best.  :smile:





The word "natural" predates the 21C concept of marketing by a fair bit . And whether natural is better or worse than unnatural is entirely value laden  .

The mongol hordes may have killed thousands which was good for them and yet 'bad' for others . The Atomic bomb may have opened our hearts and minds , but did the desert/sea/urban/atmospheric animals and people involved all universally attend to say the explosions were such great progress ?


Furthermore , the positional argument that there is nothing called natural is simply not true .. it is the pre-existent nascent forms of physical matter and their interactions that are not manmade .

The issue as to whether Mankind has ever made anything at all is an interesting one .. sort of akin to forager ants we carry things we find in the environment back to base .. and is it right to claim that the ant returning with something has created it ? ..

To be honest mankinds achievements are more appropriately technological and innovative meaning the act of actual a-priori creation is not there .

We can construct and re-configure stuff that may be novel to us in our limited consciousness moments but it is stuff of the Hubris to pretend that we have actually created .

To be accurate i propose that no two separate glasses of water could ever be completely the same .

The domain of the natural world ends when the ethereal begins .. where the acts of creation beyond the material world of physical objects is said to be .

It is no coincidence that science is at heart the study of the physical world in order to understand more of its substance and interactions . It could be said that science is the study of Nature and technology the engineering application of that information .


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Re: What is nature? What is natural? [Re: cleeen]
    #7422632 - 09/18/07 07:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Everything,
although the terms often used to mean working in harmony with the planet/universe. There is much morel arguement as to what that harmony should consist of.


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Re: What is nature? What is natural? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7423200 - 09/18/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so, like i said, it's all semantics. it all depends on how you define what you're talking about.

i think people try too hard to define things. defining things just separates us from "nature". maybe if we suspend our judgments or definitions everything will seem more "natural".

if the actions of man are looked upon in silence, they appear to be the exact same as everything that isn't man. if we stop thinking of ourselves as being separate from nature we realize that anything we do must be "natural" because everything we do is interconnected with the constant flux that is existence. everything we do, everything other animals do, everything plants do, insects do, planets do, stars do, atoms do, electrons do etc. etc... is just an expression of existence that is all equally "natural".


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Re: What is nature? What is natural? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7436629 - 09/21/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I told my brother this:

You have your thoughts.
You are entirely a part of the universe.
Therefore your thoughts are manifestations of the universe.

He wanted nothing of it and went off complaining about new-age this and that :crankey:

I think that's the bottom line. People believe what they want to believe, and draw the line where they feel it should be drawn.

Ofcourse everything is natural, except in the minds of people who feel something shouldn't be.


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