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dr_psilocybo
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stalled jar
#7406150 - 09/13/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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just to bring you guys up to pace on what im doing heres a short summary. I inoculated 5 rye jarson august 25 and they have been colonizing at room temp since then. one of the jars was way to wet (there was a half inch of standing water at the bottom) so i trashed it and 2 more of the jars havent shown any growth at all (they seem to be fine moisture wise is the problem with the spores?)and 2 of the jars have been growing steadily. one of the jars seems to have stopped growing a few days ago but im not sure exactly when becaus i dont check them often. I read that the most common caus of a stalled jar is lack of air so i removed the tinfoil covering the holes to let it breath. Is this the right thing to do? will growth restart or did i screw it up permenantly?
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The shroomy 1
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You might want to put the foil back on if it's not too late. Removing the foil completely leaves you at greater risk for contamination. I use Tyvek that I cut from Express mail envelopes I get at the post office. Just leave the foil loose and maybe unscrew the ring a little.
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dr_psilocybo
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sorry i wasnt very cler about tha part i only removed it for 5 minutes to let it breath then put it back on but kept it loose. should the growth start again now that it has more air exchange?
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grapejelly

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As long as you have a verm barrier, you should just remove the foil altogether. You need gas exchange, not air exchange.
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Blutjager
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dr_psilocybo said: sorry i wasnt very cler about tha part i only removed it for 5 minutes to let it breath then put it back on but kept it loose. should the growth start again now that it has more air exchange?
You should just get rid of it completely
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cupcake said: As long as you have a verm barrier, you should just remove the foil altogether. You need gas exchange, not air exchange.
Verm barrier on Rye?
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grapejelly

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ahhh my bad i wasnt paying attention.

hehehe
Edited by grapejelly (09/14/07 03:17 PM)
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figgusfiddus
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dr_psilocybo said: I read that the most common caus of a stalled jar is lack of air so i removed the tinfoil covering the holes to let it breath. Is this the right thing to do? will growth restart or did i screw it up permenantly?
No, the most common causes of stalling are improperly-prepared substrate and/or bacterial contamination (which often go hand-in-hand, since every unnecessary week of colonization due to shoddy substrate is another week the bacteria get to take hold--which further slows colonization and can finally prevent it altogether).
Three most common preparation problems with grains: moisture, moisture, and moisture. The spores are almost never the problem. If they germinate, but the jar goes bad, you are usually looking at too much moisture, or straight-up contamination from inoculation. If they just don't germinate, you're usually looking at too little moisture.
Lack of air will slow growth down a bit, but usually in a smaller jar it's not really suffering from a lack of O2. I always suggest using a filtered lid with grains to eliminate this possibility, making it easier to diagnose problems in the future.
But don't get too attached to your jars. Look at it this way: Your ultimate goal is to get jars colonized in a reasonable amount of time. Now if you have jars that are taking two months to colonize and they finally pull through, I guess that's fine, but if you start over and try again, you've got a good chance of learning something from your mistakes and perfecting the process. Grains can be tricky, and it took me a little while to get my success rate up. It's mostly about perfecting your preparation, though, and the name of the game there is moisture content. Try some different methods and moisture levels all at the same time, experiment, and adopt the one that you find turns out the best.
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Edited by figgusfiddus (09/14/07 03:15 PM)
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