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timmiezown
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getting the most out of a cake
#7406068 - 09/13/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Subject: getting the most out of a cake
Ok so i have 8 cakes, 4 b+ and 4 ja strain
what is the most effective way to get the most of your cakes, casing ?? I have also heard that pasteurized straw works well.
i was considering casing with 50/50 but i would need to find something as a buffer for the pH. what is an easy one to obtain? would lime juice work?
Also, what is your opinion on dunking(for 24h)/rolling(in verm) before crumbling a cake?
Thanks for your time. b
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: timmiezown]
#7406089 - 09/13/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spawning to a bulk substrate is the way to get the most out of your cakes. Some substrates are straw, manure, coir, and combinations of them.
I have never dunked before crumbling.
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: veilbreaker]
#7406271 - 09/13/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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its kinda pointless to dunk before crumbling
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#7406322 - 09/13/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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timmiezown
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: acommunistspy]
#7406514 - 09/13/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear that mgmc SUCKS so i dont really want to try since i saw a few people complaining about contams on here.
Im thinking about 50/50 + limestone and oyster shell
Would putting an tropic air humidifier in a FC with a aluminum pan of casing do any harm? OVerlay perhaps? I am NOT fond of the concept of spraying/misting. Maybe i've misunderstood to my understanding you are never supposed to spray anything directly? Through a spray shield? where would i buy/how would i make a spray shield?
to dunking and rolling, how does the yield compare to 1-2 crushed cakes w/ 50 50 casing?
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: timmiezown]
#7406533 - 09/13/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can't speak for everybody, but I've had great results with MGMC. Not even pasteurized, just straight out of the bag. YMMV. Here's an example:
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: Dr_T]
#7406611 - 09/13/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yummmyy
um is that one crushed cake? or did you use something else?
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: timmiezown]
#7406621 - 09/13/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's WBS. No spawn, just birdseed cased with MGMC. Simplest, cheapest, easiest way to grow mushrooms. Not the highest yield, but plenty usable. Got five flushes out of that tub. (The last flush was tiny.) Total yield over a half ounce dry. Amazonian from SporeWorks. 
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: Dr_T]
#7406654 - 09/13/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm after realizing that every cube is almost the same, kinda sad and makes me hesitate to buy more
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: wutang]
#7406676 - 09/13/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're all the same- but all different too. I've just started on a new strain, and I'm as excited as I was the first time. But I guess we're getting off topic.
Best way to get the most out of cakes: Use cakes as a stepping stone to bulk substrate methods.
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: Dr_T]
#7406725 - 09/13/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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what strain are you working on? im working on a new orissa indian and EQ. to stay on topic: dunk after every flush for the most out of each cake
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: wutang]
#7408040 - 09/14/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
wutang said: what strain are you working on?
Oak Ridge, I got one of the 2nd generation prints.
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: Dr_T]
#7408055 - 09/14/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I say just birth the cakes, you will be happier to have a few shrooms over none at all.
Research here a little more, it takes a good bit of knowledge to do anything besides cakes. It can be done, but why risk it if your not 100%.
Spawn is your mycelium. Crumbled cakes, birdseed, rye.
Bulk substrate is something you mix your spawn (crumbled cakes) with to increase the yeild. Hpoo, straw, coir.
Casing is the fine layer of 50/50 mix, places on top of the spawned bulk substrate. Helps with moisture.
If you just want to crumble and case your cakes, then case with MGMC. It works. If you have contam issues with it, you will have them with everything. It is like combining all cakes into one.
If you wanted to add some bulk substrate, your best bet would be to dunk your cakes. Pasturize some coir. Crumble and mix 1:1 ratio. Cover with MGMC. (MGMC is great by the way)
That's my best guess on foolproof and effective.
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Re: getting the most out of a cake [Re: aspore]
#7408123 - 09/14/07 08:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'd personally by a brick of coir and get a cooler....
put the coir in the cooler and heat the directed amount of water(usually 3-4 liters) to 180 F then pour over the coir and shut the cooler don't open it for 2 hours. (you can add some used coffee grounds to this before adding the water if you'd like... it helps IME)
now while you wait:
take one of your strains (all 4 colonized jars of that strain) and fruit them in a perlite terrarium as cakes, this way you will get something no matter what.. I'd also reccomend a 24 hour dunk then a roll in verm before fruiting and a 12 hour dunk after each flush. these will pop up within a couple weeks.
now that two hours has passed. open the cooler in a very clean room thats been sprayed with oust about 5-10 minutes earlier, should have been cleaned before you even started. wear gloves and rub your hands (in the gloves) with IPA (rubbing alcohol) and let evaporate. using a clean mixing spoon mix the coir (and spent coffee grounds if you used) making sure there are no chunks left and close the cooler again (leave the lid slightly open about 1/8" to help vent). once the temperature of the coir is below 100 F you're ready to goto work...
get a clean tub that you can fit inside a larger perlite terraium or that you can use as a monotub (if going with monotub method remember to make holes stuffed with polyfil).
empty your other cakes (all 4 colonized cakes of the other strain) into a ziplock bag and crumble them now make a thin layer of coir in the bottom of the tub, now do a thin layer of crumbled cake, then a thin layer of coir, and repeat until the crumbled cake is gone making sure to leave enough coir to act as the top layer.
now cover the tub with foil and make some small holes in the foil which you cover in micropore tape (gentle paper tape by 3M found by the bandaids in your local store) come back and look at it in a week to see if it's colonized. at this point, you'll know whether your technique was clean enough because if its started to colonized (or better yet completely colonized) you did well, if it looks the same as when you spawned it, it likely will not recover bu i'd still give it a few more days to be sure. when the tub is uflly colonized, seeing as it's your first time i'd use straight moistened verm as your casing layer (about 1/4 inch thick) although you could go with moistened MGMC although personally i wouldn't touch the stuff. when i say moistened i mean damp and managable not wet and muddy....
depending on the method you chose, fruit accordingly..
for monotub, after you add the casing, mist it lightly and close it and don't open until harvest.
for a casing in a larger perlite terrarium, start treating it like the cakes, provde plenty of FAE and humidity and within a few weeks you'll see results...
i recommend this method because spawning to bulk substrate will definately give you more results, but can be quite frustrating if you've never done it. this way you give spawning to bulk a shot and if you suceed great! but if you fail, you still have cakes that will more than likely produce enough to get you through til you can try again.
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Edited by CosmicFunGuy (09/14/07 08:33 AM)
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