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    #7405838 - 09/13/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7405849 - 09/13/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I would say anyone with a middle school education could grow shrooms, and grow them exponentially.

LSD takes quite the knowledge of chemistry and a lot of lab equipment.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7405871 - 09/13/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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acommunistspy said:
Why it should be more common:
LSD can benefit you longterm by helping you find yourself.
LSD has no fatal dose.
LSD is powerful yet cheap(er than shrooms/sativa/other hallucinogens)
LSD gives creativity.

Reasons why it's so scarce?
bad trips
most people don't know themselves or their minds (some don't even use it)
Propaganda (holes in brain, permanent tripping, insanity)
very complex to make?
it's not a 'social' or 'party' drug (anymore)
people are stupid

reasons why i think it's so scarce and why i think it should be more common...





No fatal dose?!? hmm. So what happens if i drink a shot glass full? :crazy2: :shineon:  :pride:  :donut:  :earth:  :bongroll:  :psychsplit:


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: rodfarva]
    #7405914 - 09/13/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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very complex to make?





I think that's the main reason and also because there's not a huge demand for it. Tons of people like to roll on MDMA but not so many people like to trip balls on LSD.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? *DELETED* [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7405927 - 09/13/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7405949 - 09/13/07 07:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have have been told that "it stays in your spine forever" quite a bit more often.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? *DELETED* [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7405967 - 09/13/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7406022 - 09/13/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it lasts too G**d**** long

I got things to do people, where's the "off" switch?

Also the precursor chemical ergotamine tartrate is highly watched by the government, it's just a recipe to go to prison for 20 years if busted. I read a DEA report on lsd here:
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/dea/product/lsd/lsd-4.htm

Pretty good read.
That should give you some insight as to their mindset. My fiance is a recent graduate of Australian law school and is a solicitor (lawyer). She has never been even drunk in her life. The thought of mushrooms or any intoxicants she cannot fathom. Alot of people are like that. One time I was talking about dxm and she was like "youre all a bunch of druggies" lol.
People dont understand or care or want to understand, they just see it as a problem. To them, it's like me and eating raw oysters. I do not want to eat raw oysters, I do not want to see someone eat raw oysters, I do not want to hear people talking about eating raw oysters. Raw oysters are freaking nasty. Send them to rehab I say!


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: jamesb]
    #7406182 - 09/13/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you would probably need the equivalent knowledge of a chemist with a PhD to make LSD


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: jamesb]
    #7406216 - 09/13/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

All of the above in combination for sure plus the fact that the majority of modern society are content with a few beers, a little weed, etc... just a simple chill or something to liven up the mood.  Most are not seekers. For better or worse, some of us are. I never really wanted to be common anyway. :smile:


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7406221 - 09/13/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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people are stupid




:yesnod:

Just joking. Propaganda. Misinformation.

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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? *DELETED* [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7406230 - 09/13/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7406253 - 09/13/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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have the precursor chemical and that the whole difficulty thing is way out of proportion






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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7406355 - 09/13/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

LSD has been manufactured illegally since the 1960’s. A limited number of chemists, probably less than a dozen, are believed to be manufacturing nearly all of the LSD available in the United States. Some of these manufacturers probably have been operating since the 1960’s.

LSD manufacturers and traffickers can be separated into two groups. The first, located in northern California, is composed of chemists (commonly referred to as “cooks”) and traffickers who work together in close association; typically, they are major producers capable of distributing LSD nationwide. The second group is made up of independent producers who, operating on a comparatively limited scale, can be found throughout the country. As a group, independent producers pose much less of a threat than the northern California group inasmuch as their production is intended for local consumption only.

Drug law enforcement officials have surmised that LSD chemists and top echelon traffickers form an insider’s fraternity of sorts. They successfully have remained at large because there are so few of them. Their exclusivity is not surprising given that LSD synthesis is a difficult process to master. Although cooks need not be formally trained chemists, they must adhere to precise and complex production procedures. In instances where the cook is not a chemist, the production recipe most likely was passed on by personal instruction from a formally trained chemist. Further supporting the premise that most LSD manufacture is the work of a small fraternity of chemists, virtually all the LSD seized during the 1980’s was of consistently high purity and sold in relatively uniform dosages of 20 to 80 micrograms.

LSD commonly is produced from lysergic acid, which is made from ergotamine tartrate, a substance derived from an ergot fungus on rye, or from lysergic acid amide, a chemical found in morning glory seeds. Although theoretically possible, manufacture of LSD from morning glory seeds is not economically feasible and these seeds never have been found to be a successful starting material for LSD production. Lysergic acid and lysergic acid amide are both classified in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act. Ergotamine tartrate is regulated under the Chemical Diversion and Trafficking Act.

Ergotamine tartrate is not readily available in the United States, and its purchase by other than established pharmaceutical firms is suspect. Therefore, ergotamine tartrate used in clandestine LSD laboratories is believed to be acquired from sources located abroad, most likely Europe, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Africa.11 The difficulty in acquiring ergotamine tartrate may limit the number of independent LSD manufacturers. By contrast, illicit manufacture of methamphetamine and phencyclidine is comparatively more prevelant in the United States because, in part, precursor chemicals can be procured easily.

Only a small amount of ergotamine tartrate is required to produce LSD in large batches. For example, 25 kilograms of ergotamine tartrate can produce 5 or 6 kilograms of pure LSD crystal that, under ideal circumstances, could be processed into 100 million dosage units, more than enough to meet what is believed to be the entire annual U.S. demand for the hallucinogen. LSD manufacturers need only import a small quantity of the substance and, thus, enjoy the advantages of ease of concealment and transport not available to traffickers of other illegal drugs, primarily marijuana and cocaine.

Cooking LSD is time consuming; it takes from 2 to 3 days to produce 1 to 4 ounces of crystal. Consequently, it is believed that LSD usually is not produced in large quantities, but rather in a series of small batches. Production of LSD in small batches also minimizes the loss of precursor chemicals should they become contaminated during the synthesis process.

LSD crystal produced clandestinely can be as much as 95- to 100-percent pure. At this purity—and assuming optimum conditions during dilution and application to paper—1 gram of crystal could produce 20,000 dosage units of LSD. However, analysis of LSD crystal seized in California over the past 3 years revealed an average purity of only 62 percent. Moreover, LSD degrades quickly when exposed to heat, light, and air and is most susceptible to degradation during the application process and once it is in paper form. As a result, under less than optimal, real-life conditions, actual yields are significantly below the theoretically possible yield: 1 gram of LSD crystal genarally yields 10,000 dosage units of LSD, or approximately 10 million dosage units per kilogram.

Over the past 30 years, the traditional dilution factor for manufacturing LSD has been 10,000 doses per 1 gram of crystal. Therefore, dosage units yielded from high-purity (95- to 100-percent pure) LSD crystal would contain 100 micrograms. However, dosages currently seen contain closer to 50 micrograms. This discrepancy stems in part from production impurities: during the sythesis process, manufacturers generally fail to perform a final “clean-up” step to remove by-products, thereby lowering the crystal’s purity. Further, though average purity of tested LSD crystal samples is, as noted, 62 percent, the average potency of doses analyzed is approximately 50 micrograms rather than 62 micrograms, as would be expected. The diminished potency can be attributed to distributors who, when applying the crystal to paper, often “cheat” by diluting 1 gram of crystal to produce up to 15,000 or more dosage units.

Pure, high-potency LSD is a clear or white, odorless crystalline material that is soluble in water. It is mixed with binding agents, such as spray-dried skim milk, for producing tablets or is dissolved and diluted in a solvent for application onto paper or other materials. Variations in the manufacturing process or the presence of precursors or by-products can cause LSD to range in color from clear or white, in its purest form, to tan or even black, indicating poor quality or degradation. To mask product difficiencies, distributors often apply LSD to off-white, tan, or yellow paper to disguise discoloration.

At the highest levels of the traffic, where LSD crystal is purchased in gram or multigram quantities from wholesale sources of supply, it rarely is diluted with adulterants, a common practice with cocaine, heroin, and other illicit drugs. However, to prepare the crystal for production in retail dosage units, it must be diluted with binding agents or dissolved and diluted in liquids. The dilution of LSD crystal typically follows a standard, predetermined recipe to ensure uniformity of the final product. Excessive dilution yields less potent dosage units that soon become unmarketable.

LSD crystal usually is converted into tablet form (“microdots” that are 3/32 inch or smaller in diameter), thin squares of gelatin (“window panes”), or applied to sheets of prepared paper (blotter paper—initially used as a medium—has been replaced by a variety of paper types). LSD most frequently is encountered in paper form, still commonly referred to as blotter paper or blotter acid. It consists of sheets of paper soaked in or otherwise impregnated with LSD. Often these sheets are covered with colorful designs or artwork and are usually perforated into one-quarter inch square, individual dosage units.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: jamesb]
    #7406387 - 09/13/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The "thumb print" thread comes to mind. It took me a whole day and a piece of one in computer use time to read that whole thread.

Great thread though :smile:


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7406436 - 09/13/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it's so scarce because all the people who used to make it are doing back to back life sentences in a federal pen. Those dudes used to supply EVERYONE, or most everyone. It's really complicated and not easy


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: anomaly420]
    #7406449 - 09/13/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah, I just read the above... do we really need transcripts from websters or wikipedia or whatever the hell that was, regarding the history of it and everything? I'm pretty sure we all know the history. I'm not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but come on man.. I don't want to read all that shit


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: anomaly420]
    #7406478 - 09/13/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Someone once told me that it slowly melts your spinal cord. Eventually you get paralyzed, so only do it a few times. Apparently thats why its called acid. Some people are just so damn stupid, but it doesn't surprise me anymore.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7406652 - 09/13/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it is completely harmless in the physical aspect and mostly in the psychological too. and as to the original poster. everything is scarce. canned beans, water, paper. everything has its limits. find a better word.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: anomaly420]
    #7406662 - 09/13/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

then dont read it ya whiny vagina


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: ApacheShaman]
    #7406951 - 09/13/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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everything is scarce. canned beans, water, paper. everything has its limits. find a better word.




Did you look up the word 'scarce' in a dictionary before announcing that the OP misused this word? Here, I'll help you out:
scarce-
adjective
not easy to find or obtain

Do you really have trouble finding beans, water, and paper?


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7407165 - 09/14/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's on the road. Acid travels.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: jamesb]
    #7407398 - 09/14/07 01:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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People dont understand or care or want to understand, they just see it as a problem. To them, it's like me and eating raw oysters. I do not want to eat raw oysters, I do not want to see someone eat raw oysters, I do not want to hear people talking about eating raw oysters. Raw oysters are freaking nasty. Send them to rehab I say!




I couldn't agree more mate. If people are grown up and drilled with false information or the whole - "all drugs are bad and screw you up" sorta crap that I hear all too often then yea the majority of people will be like that.

Its sad that there is not much acid. I live in NZ and I've actually found it to be reasonably easy to get. I've had a source who I get rolling stones blotter off for the last little while really consistently.

This is really good quality stuff and one tab does me fine however all acid in NZ is EXPENSIVE. It costs no less than $40 per tab or $29USD!!

Obviously no acid here is made in NZ (that I am aware of)

Looks like the shrooms will have to do as I see this stuff getting way more scarce in the future :sad: :sad:


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: CaMo]
    #7407826 - 09/14/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

because its a non addictive Class A which people do not consume in the same way they would MDMA.

here are million of people who consuem MDMA every weekend for weeks on end.

I've always had thsi theory that Pills were teh reason LSD became scarce. that and teh evil major crackdown my town suffered inteh mid-ninties.

People are far more willing to rick arrest for class As if they offer more substantial returns IMO

there just don't seem to be enough hippies who believe in propogating the drug as they used to also. :frown:


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: jamesb]
    #7408475 - 09/14/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LSD manufacturers and traffickers can be separated into two groups. The first, located in northern California, is composed of chemists (commonly referred to as “cooks”) and traffickers who work together in close association; typically, they are major producers capable of distributing LSD nationwide. The second group is made up of independent producers who, operating on a comparatively limited scale, can be found throughout the country. As a group, independent producers pose much less of a threat than the northern California group inasmuch as their production is intended for local consumption only.





I think a lot of the acid in the US was made in different countries, all the stuff I have was.



Both the Internet Explorer's and the Shiva's came from Belgium and I'm pretty sure the Alex Grey print was made somewhere outside the US too.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7411241 - 09/14/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Acid is not scarce where I live I can get as much as I want


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    #7411333 - 09/14/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7412221 - 09/15/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Laws may also have a lot to with this. The law varies in state to state. In New Jersey you get 5 to 7 years automatically for possession, I think its considered manslaughter (LOL!!!). But here in P.A. its only a misdemeanor (Hoo rah!).


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7412288 - 09/15/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LSD has no fatal dose.





Yes it does.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7412290 - 09/15/07 07:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Heroin and some hard drugs stay and make your spine fucked up but i'm not quite sure what it actually does.






I hope you don't actually believe that?


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7412588 - 09/15/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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well that kind makes a LITTLE more sense than the 'holesinbrain' theory. Heroin and some hard drugs stay and make your spine fucked up but i'm not quite sure what it actually does.




Where the fuck do people get this bullshit!? :crankey:


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7412641 - 09/15/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I think a lot of the acid in the US was made in different countries, all the stuff I have was.




I'm sure a lot of it comes from out of the country, it is the easiest to smuggle. You could probably send a whole blotter sheet in a document mailer and not have it discovered/confiscated. I've heard of people that have taken it with them on planes, out of country, and back again. But I'm also sure that a lot of it comes from inside the US from hardcore chemistry major types that got the knowledge specifically for the ability to sythesize these kinds of substances.

You don't hear about too many clandestine LSD labs being discovered, perhaps because they really are just scarce or maybe because the individuals who operate them keep the activity VERY low-key and are VERY intelligent(chemistry majors). I'm willing to place my bet on the latter.


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: Robo]
    #7412703 - 09/15/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I live in the Southeast


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Re: WHY is acid so scarce? [Re: Psy Baba]
    #7412747 - 09/15/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

acommunistspy, your signature picture is the funniest picture I've ever seen. Nice avatar too..


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