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The 4th and 5th Dimension
#7405461 - 09/13/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive been thinking a lot about this, can anyone put into words what living in the 4th dimension is? How can you interpret this?
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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can anyone please put also into words what living at the 16th level of the mystical unicorn shadow realm means to them?
you ask us a question, asking us to define the terms of your question?
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: wilshire]
#7405923 - 09/13/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't the 4th dimension time?
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Lion]
#7405963 - 09/13/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't the 4th dimension time?
in one way of looking at it, yes, but not necessarily the way of looking at it, which we haven't yet discovered.
my point is that here we have a question which essentially asks nothing, because the one to whom the question is posed is left to define the question for themself.
i could ask, "tell me your response to a question, any queston, of your own creation." and it'd essentially be the same thing.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: wilshire]
#7405981 - 09/13/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean we haven't discovered the way of looking at it?
I've only ever heard of th 4th dimension defined as time.
Btw, meant to respond to original poster, my bad.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Lion]
#7406034 - 09/13/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean we haven't discovered the way of looking at it?
currently we have 2 different fundamental systems for predicting what we observe in the universe. at "large" distances, things behave according to as described by general relativity. at "small" distances, quantum mechanics holds true.
the two systems are contradictory(!) and neither always works. they are good at describing things within their respective realms, but just like newtonian physics, they are just a description that fits what we see "well enough" to be useful for now.
they are not the 'grand theory of everything' physicists are seeking.
imagine you are an ant on the suface of a clock. you are a very smart ant, and eventually, you figure out the patterns - you know how the hands move and your theory, "the general theory of rotational motion" exactly predicts where the hands will be and what they will do.
your theory is already a hell of a lot better than what human physicists have now - you have one theory and it's right all of the time and doesn't contradict itself.
but you do not know how the clock works, nor will you ever.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: wilshire]
#7406047 - 09/13/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Excellent analogy.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Lion]
#7406139 - 09/13/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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im sorry my question doesnt please you, but i asked it that way to get as much fact as opinion. And your answer doesnt please my question.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: DieCommie]
#7406708 - 09/13/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doood, I never read that book, but I have seen a short video explaining very closely what you wrote.... For some reason, when I read the first few posts, this analogy popped into mind, but I thought that I wouldn't have the right words nor the patients to write it out....  My homework seems to have already been done for me.... Thank you....! A+ 
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7406722 - 09/13/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Glad you enjoyed it 
I enjoy kicking the knowledge
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: DieCommie]
#7406837 - 09/13/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Imagining The Tenth Dimension....
(Edit: this link is working in IE, but not Mozilla/Firefox for some reason.....)
I F'n Found it.....!  Check it, check it....!
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yes, i find the flatland analogy mentioned by diecommie very helpful in grasping these cross dimensional viewpoints.
it helps me to remember that my body exists everywhere, in every possible dimension, on every spot on the spectrum so to speak. it's only the observational point on which i stand that determines how i am experiencing my existence.
you ask what the forth dimension is like. try to glimpse it, even if only for a split second..
imagine you, your body walking down the street, the cars around you passing by, the birds in the sky sailing with the wind..
i think that from a 4D persective, you could still perfectly observe yourself, the cars, and the birds moving through space, but in addition to that, i believe you would also be able to see the five minutes (more or less) involved in this experience as a tangible object that you could feel, as if it had a shape, its own texture.. and other physical properties that could perhaps even enable you to stretch and rotate the temporal moment, as if it were a solid 3D object here in our native dimensional realm.
try practicing with creative visualization and see what you can glimpse.
access to 4D is by no means restricted to us global villagers. it even seems that this is where we are actually heading.
happy trails.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7408215 - 09/14/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
AlteredAgain said:
access to 4D is by no means restricted to us global villagers. it even seems that this is where we are actually heading.
This is what made me ask this question. I read something about 2012 saying that humans are going to transcend to the 4th/5th dimension. I just wanted to get a better understanding.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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How could anybody possibly know? We are in the 3rd dimension so focusing on anything other than that seems like a waste of time. When and if the time comes, we will get our answers.
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Read the last chapter in Feynman's "The Six Not So Easy Pieces" on curved space.
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we are already in the very midst of the transcension, IMO.
the manifestation of the noosphere points to this.
our bodies may still be on ground, but our minds, the ideas we transmit, the vibrations we emanate.. they are up in the sky, covering the planetary radius with an internet of information.
evolution is a gradual thing, unless it is catalysed by a sudden revelation.
nonetheless it goes on.
yes, i think we'll just have to see what happens.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7415310 - 09/16/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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my analogy for the higher dimensions
people on a 2d plane see a hand reaching from the 3d plane into the 2d
all they see are the tips of the fingers as 5 circles in the sky
but as you reach higher dimension you see how everything is connected
which would be an entire hand in this case
hope this helps
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: ShroomFan]
#7417383 - 09/16/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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like Neo at the end of the 1st matrix.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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This thread makes me happy
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WHAT MAKES UP THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS OF OUR REALITY?
From "An Ascension Handbook" by Tony Stubbs
Your physical body exists in the 3rd dimension - it is matter-based. The 4th dimension is the astral plane - it is emotion-based. Together these two make up what we call the Lower Creation World. These are the dimensions where the game of separation is carried out. Only in these dimensions can the illusion of good and evil be maintained -and can You feel separated from Spirit and from each other. You've all became quite good at doing that. Its been a very successful game of separation but it is time for it to end. So, this planet is in a state of ascension. It is now vibrating at the very top Of the astral plane, right on the dividing line with the 5th dimension - the Lightbody dimension. As part of the ascension process, these dimensions will be 'rolled up into the higher dimensions and will cease to exist.
The 5th through the 9th dimensions make up the Mid-Creation Realm. The 5th is the Lightbody dimension in which you are aware of yourself as a Master and a multidimensional being. In the 5th dimension, you are completely spiritually oriented. Many of You have came in from this plane to be Lightworkers.
6th dimension holds the templates for the DNA patterns of all types of species' creation, including humankind. It is also where the Light languages are stored and is made up mostly of colour and tone.. It is the dimension where consciousness creates through thought and one of the places where you work during sleep. It can be difficult to get a bead on this because 1 you are not in a body unless you choose to create one. Men you are operating 6th-dimensionally, you are more of an alive thought. You create through your. consciousness, but you don't necessarily have a vehicle for that consciousness.
The 7th dimension is that of pure creativity, pure light, pure tone. pure geometry, and pure expression. It is a plane of infinite refinement.
The 8th dimension is of group mind or group soul and where you would touch base with the vaster part of who you are. It is characterized by loss of sense of the "I". When You travel multi-dimensionally, it is this plane where you have most trouble keeping Your consciouness together because you are pure "we" operating with group goals. So, it may seem as though you have gone to sleep or, blanked out., (Ah-ha!)
The 9th dimension in the model that we use is the plane of the collective consciousness of planets, star systems, galaxies, and dimensions. Once again, it is very difficult to get a sense of "I" because you are so vast that everything is "you". Imagine being the consciousness of a galaxy. Every life-form, every star, - planet, and group mind of every species in it is you. If you visit this dimension, it can be difficult to remain conscious.
The 10th through 12th dimensions make up the Upper Creation Realm. The 10th dimension is the source of the Rays, home of what are called the Elohim. This is where Light is differentiated and is the source of plans of creation which are sent to the MidCreation levels. You can have a sense of "I" at this level but it won't be what you are used to here.
The llth dimension is that of pre-formed Light, the point before creation and a state of exquisite expectancy just like the moment before a sneeze or an orgasm. It is the realm of the being known as Metatron, and of Archangels and the Higher Akashic for this Source-system. There are planetary Akashic records and galactic Akashics as well as the Akashic for an entire Source-system. You are in one Source-system of many. So, we are giving you a description of one Source-system only - this one. If you go to another Source-system, what you will experience will be different. As an Archangel, my home base is the 11th dimension. We come to you as messengers, that is what "Archangel" mans. It is one of my functions, I have many. I have an Elohim function which is not very verbal. We have many, many jobs.
The 12th dimension is the One Point where all consciousness knows itself to be utterly one with All That Is. There is no separation of any kind. If you tap into this level, you know yourself to be completely one with All That Is, with the creator force. If you tap in there, you will never be the same again because you cannot sustain the same degree of separation if you have experienced complete unity.
Spirit creates the illusion of separation up to the 7th dimension. At higher frequencies, distinctions become completely meaningless, and all is Spirit. A definite frequency band exists in all these levels which acts as a unifying medium, a common frequency. Just like the public channel on CB radio, except that you don't just talk on it, but you are part of it. If you match your consciousness to the frequency of this Unity Band, you experience complete unity with all that is. It is also known as the Christed Band and emanates from the Christed level. It throws off sub-harmonics into all the lower frequency planes. The energy in the Christed level is your energy. It is the level at which you existed as a Christed Being, above all separateness.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Rebirtha]
#7429799 - 09/19/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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im glad i brought this up.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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All the time when i trip or when im really stoned i feel like reality is in layers, like a cartoon is but in every direction at once. a bunch of dimensions all squshed together from your brain outwards in every direction. yea im blazed right now.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Cubie]
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Ok very interesting, but what about practical application? Can you use these dimensions somehow to do something cool? Any concrete examples?
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Diaboleros]
#10221833 - 04/23/09 06:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I've constructed a 3D model of a five dimensional cube using wood and glue.
The thing is pretty awesome.
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We are bound in 3 dimensions and are incapable of perceiving dimensions higher than 3 based on sensation. We can model any dimension perfectly though with mathematical equations and understand these higher dimensions perfectly. It seems that mathematical equations are the key to opening the doors to other dimensions and provide us clues to the nature of mind and the eternity of the soul.
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You cant present things like that as facts dude.
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Quote:
AlteredAgain said: Well, I've constructed a 3D model of a five dimensional cube using wood and glue.
The thing is pretty awesome. 
You can only make a 3-d model of the "shadow" of a 4-d/5-d object.
Its the same thing as drawing a cube on a piece of paper. 3-d represented on a 2-d surface.
4-d represented in 3-d:

Time moves in one direction so the 4th dimension of the cube moves in a single direction.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Cubie]
#10223755 - 04/24/09 12:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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whether or not i can or can't present things as facts like that is of no concern to me whether such things presented like that are facts to begin with, i may at my leisure present as I please there is no law prohibiting my freedom of expression and it is not my fault how others chose to interpret what I say.
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i agree.
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I'm aware of that. I'll see if I can get a photograph of my sculpture posted here. The piece is standing at my parents house. Maybe I'll call them up and ask them to take a picture of it for me.
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Jack Albertson said: Ive been thinking a lot about this, can anyone put into words what living in the 4th dimension is? How can you interpret this?
The Fifth Dimension is the Age of Aquariums. I've been there.
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Re: The 4th and 5th Dimension [Re: Icelander]
#10241758 - 04/27/09 09:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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time is an illusion that has perpus
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