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Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after
    #7405145 - 09/13/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I usually suffer from medium-high depression and irritability while coming down from shrooms and the next day, i think its due to serotonin depletion, but any methods, ideas, or activities i can do to help prevent, or lessen these feelings... i think i may try sleeping outdoors when my trip is over next time


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7405186 - 09/13/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I feel totally the same way. Weed on the comedown can help, but the day after usually sucks. I have had really nice afterglows too though.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7405207 - 09/13/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms are not known to deplete serotonin. I would call it a more basic tired effect. I have been tired, but it was never a worry for me. Perhaps a little ganja?


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7405242 - 09/13/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hmm im usually smoking ganja during my trip, maybe next time ill abstain until im coming down


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: aaei67]
    #7405268 - 09/13/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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aaei67 said:
I feel totally the same way. Weed on the comedown can help, but the day after usually sucks. I have had really nice afterglows too though.




and now knowing others go through this too will help me a lot, now i can tell myself "its just the mushrooms, other people go through this too" and hopefully it will make a difference, and last time... i think the rain had a lot to do with it


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7405282 - 09/13/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's a good post. I get the irritability as well, but I usually don't get it as much if I get some sleep.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: Mourningdove]
    #7405367 - 09/13/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

take 100mg 5-HTP before and the morning after


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: mycocurious]
    #7405561 - 09/13/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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mycocurious said:
take 100mg 5-HTP before and the morning after




im sorry, could you elaborate?


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7405670 - 09/13/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

personally, I believe that it does effect your serotonin levels when you trip - and there's some evidence to back that up in the way that the nitrogen ring of psilobin works on the serotonin receptors.

(random trivia, most hallucinogens - including thc - have a similarly designed nitrogen ring chemical structure)

5-HTP is a amino acid suppliment you can buy from most vitamin shops. 5-Hydroxy Tryptophan is the percursor to serotonin, supplimenting it aids in it's creation in your body. If it sounds familiar, it's the same chemical you find in bananas and turkey meat.

When I used to roll - and roll hard, I did - I used to take 5-10 rolls a night, each night all weekend. Before every roll - and the morning after - I would take this along with several other choice amino acids to beef up my ability to create and maintain my serotonin and dopamine levels.

It helps, a lot, especially at combating the "e-tardedness" (inability to probably vocalize a concept, derailed chains of thought, etc.) you'd have the next morning afterwards.

DO NOT, HOWEVER, buy the 5-HTP w/ St. John's Wort. St. John's Wort work a lot like an MAOI and can wreck havock in your brain - dangerously when taking these types of drugs...


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: mycocurious]
    #7406055 - 09/13/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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mycocurious said:
personally, I believe that it does effect your serotonin levels when you trip - and there's some evidence to back that up in the way that the nitrogen ring of psilobin works on the serotonin receptors.

(random trivia, most hallucinogens - including thc - have a similarly designed nitrogen ring chemical structure)

5-HTP is a amino acid suppliment you can buy from most vitamin shops.  5-Hydroxy Tryptophan is the percursor to serotonin, supplimenting it aids in it's creation in your body.  If it sounds familiar, it's the same chemical you find in bananas and turkey meat.

When I used to roll - and roll hard, I did - I used to take 5-10 rolls a night, each night all weekend.  Before every roll - and the morning after - I would take this along with several other choice amino acids to beef up my ability to create and maintain my serotonin and dopamine levels.

It helps, a lot, especially at combating the "e-tardedness" (inability to probably vocalize a concept, derailed chains of thought, etc.) you'd have the next morning afterwards.

DO NOT, HOWEVER, buy the 5-HTP w/ St. John's Wort.  St. John's Wort work a lot like an MAOI and can wreck havock in your brain - dangerously when taking these types of drugs...




thanks, perfect explanation im definetly gonna pick some up :smile:


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7406114 - 09/13/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone think kava would help on the come down? I like it on the come up, I should try it coming down.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: aaei67]
    #7407216 - 09/14/07 12:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

would it be okay to use 5-HTP if im on SSRI's


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7407827 - 09/14/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

YEah its usually tiredness or overshadowing negativities maybe not dealt with during the trip?

I've experienced minor lows day after shrooms but generally from not having enough sleep IMO.

5Htp or whatever its called taken a week before indulgence is suppose to help MDMA users.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7407856 - 09/14/07 06:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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oONemesisOo said:
would it be okay to use 5-HTP if im on SSRI's




In that case, I would try to find 50mg capsules and test it out on a day when you're not planning on dosing any other drug. SSRIs work by preventing serotonin from being processed out of the brain. Supplimenting the supply in general can have rather toxic (literally) effects on your brain chemistry.

That way you'll have a good idea of it's safety for you in a "controlled" situation, and god forbid anything goes wrong and you end up needing medical assistance, it's nice to be sober through the process. From there, you be the judge. If you take it on an empty stomach, it might make you feel a little like you've taken a roll for a while.


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7408367 - 09/14/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some of that stuff could be related to diet. I remember reading in the Cosmic Serpent (jeremy narby) that the Ashaninca would keep diets rich in serotonin increasing foods during their long term ayahuasca sessions (days or weeks in the forest).

I think he suggested bananas. I know fresh fruit is amazing when tripping, and it's interesting to think it could have an effect on your brain's chemistry.

I always keep a vegetarian diet avoiding refined or chemically altered foods. Large amounts of sugar can mess with your brain chemistry too.

I just found the quote from the Cosmic Serpent that I was referring to:

In many regions, apprentice ayahuasqueros isolate themselves in the forest for long months and ingest huge quantities of halluciongens. Their diet during this period consists mainly of bananas and fish, both of which are particularly rich in serotonin. It also happens that the long-term consumption of hallucinogens diminishes the concentration of this neurotransmitter in the brain. Most anthropologists are unaware of the biochemical aspect of this diet, however, and some go as far as to invent abstract explanations for what they call "irrational food taboos."

Narby, page 60


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7408587 - 09/14/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

okay one last question, what about if someone was taking lithium and Lamotrigine (Lamictal) would 5-HTP be safe with those?


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Edited by oONemesisOo (09/14/07 01:15 PM)


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: oONemesisOo]
    #7409931 - 09/14/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

other neuro-cleansers:
niacinamide
tyrosine (or phenylalanine)
vit C
mineral supplement
DMAE
inosine (nucleic acid component)
& stuff like dat dere...


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: gnrm23]
    #7409965 - 09/14/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

mushrooms act as an anti-depressant for me. i guess i can see how a very large dose could affect you the next day.

i need to figure out how to combat the bubble guts, and mushroom gas overload, ginger doesnt help much.


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Re: Combating depression whilst coming down/ the day after [Re: anthony034]
    #7410554 - 09/14/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

meditation


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