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San Pedro Indoor Grow
#7404282 - 09/13/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am getting ready to order some cuttings of san pedro. I am going to root some of them to grow them. I am wondering what kind of lighting I need? In the summer months they would probably be fine sitting right in front of my sliding door or out on the balcony. But I don't know what to do in the winter months. Should I get some kind of flourescent light? If so how many watts for about 4 cacti.
I was also wondering what temperature they should stay at in the winter months. Will they be ok at room temp? Or should I try to hold in heat from the lighting if that is what I choose to do?
I have searched for a while and didn't really find any answers to my questions. So any help would be appreciated. Other than those few questions I seem to have everything else down.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7404304 - 09/13/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.thenook.org/archives/tek/TrichocereusGrowersGuidemod.html heres a good little bit of advice "It is important to remember that cacti breath at night and then store the Co2 in the form of acids for use in photosynthesis during the day, they do not do well with the longer periods of light that other plants thrive in"
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7404309 - 09/13/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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u could let them go dormant for winter... but if u feel the need to extend the growing season u will probably need hps lighting, flouros just dont cut it when it comes to trichocereus.
as for temps: the hotter the better...
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If I were to get an HPS lighting system what kind of wattage would I be looking at to grown 4 - 6 cacti? I was also wondering since the cacti are so sensitive to sunlight do you you need to shield the cacti from the direct light from the hps.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7404710 - 09/13/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I say 4-600 watter till they got too tall to be lighted effectively.You just can't do an effective indoor with anything but lophs and older seedling to around 4-5 years.Can also bee good to get cuttings well rooted for spring as less energy is needed then but after that you gotta do it right and let them babies sleep away the winter.
Besides im sure you can think of better uses for 400 watts of hps
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: Mr420]
#7404762 - 09/13/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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im getting good growth rates with a 600w hps... but my trichs are not really tall (up to 24") so im unsure exactly how long this setup will surfice... i guess i'll have to rethink it in a year or two 
should keep all my lophs happy for many many years though
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: Mr420]
#7404766 - 09/13/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So in the summer it would be satisfactory to just keep them on the balcony in the shade, or in the house by the sliding door? Then once it starts getting cool out I put in the house and put it into hibernation.
What exactly do you do to put them into hibernation?
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7405217 - 09/13/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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there is no shield needed if you are using a hps, also 4-600 watts should be fine, the cacti will grow next to a sliding glass door but it all depends where the door is and how the set up is, i tried to grow a small pedro in a south facing window and it grew fine but was skinny and tall because of lack of sunlight, any cacti i have grown indoors has been skinny and that is why i put my cactus to sleep for the winter.
for that i wait till it is 40-45 deg f at night for around a week straight and i dont water for about 2 weeks before that, with the cold and lack of watering they stop growing and go dormant for the winter
i am going through the process right now because it is going to be 40 every night next week and it is 45-50 at night right now, i haven't watered in 2 weeks and after next week it will be a little bit over 3
then in the basement they go for the winter.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: royer]
#7407799 - 09/14/07 05:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So would it be best for me to wait until next summer to plant some cuttings if I don't want to buy some lights? I really want to start growing different plants and cacti. The only thing that I have experience with are shroomies. Hopefully I can get something going.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7407867 - 09/14/07 06:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would if you dont want to buy lights
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: royer]
#7412246 - 09/15/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I disagree. Two years ago (O5) I bought an 18" rooted San Pedro at this time of year. I kept it in the South window (zone 5), watered minimumly and it managed to keep its girth until spring and still put on a few inches. I left it in the window through following summer (O6) and he put on a few more inches of growth, still keeping its thickness then I moved it to a 20gal pot towards the end of the season - he had filled a gallon sized pot with roots in about 1 and 1/2 years. That fall I cut it into 4-5 chunks and made the mistake trying to hibernate them in too warm of an area and they all pupped some skinny puppies.
This spring (07) I was keeping them on the stairs in the house at night during the first days of hot sun, and the wifey accidentally knocked them all down crashing to the floor and weakening the skinny pups. I decided to pull all of the pups from the old logs to see if they could make it on their own. All the old logs had twins!!! and triplettes!!! Two years after buying one 18: rooted log, (losing a year's growth to not utilizing a summer of full-sun) I'm about to move a 20 gal. pot of a dozen thick growing tips into a friend's chilly basement.
Lesson of the story. The best way to learn is to get started now. 
>So in the summer it would be satisfactory to just keep them on the balcony in the shade, or in the house by the sliding door? Then once it starts getting cool out I put in the house and put it into hibernation.
Full sun, no exceptions. Shade will often slow their growth, or cause them to grow skinny.
>What exactly do you do to put them into hibernation?
Stop watering and keep them below 50F until the next growing season.
>So would it be best for me to wait until next summer to plant some cuttings if I don't want to buy some lights?
Get a rooted 18" or bigger and keep it in full sun, worst case scenario (if it goes skinny) is that you will have a few cuttings already rooted for next summer. If you go that route, dust the bottoms with growth hormone and get in 50/50 perlite/potting soil in the cool and dark without water. Cut the tops at a 45degree angle to encourage water to drain off and not mold when they are growing outside next summer.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: schmutzen]
#7412337 - 09/15/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok
but he is talking about cuttings, cuttings root better when there is more sun,warmth, etc
it could take all winter to root a cutting because of lack of light warmth etc
i have a good time rooting cuttings under the heat and light of my 400 watt hps but he said "if I don't want to buy some lights"
so i recommend either buying lights or waiting for next spring
here is a good site with info for you to read up on.
www.sacredcactus.com
also i have never had a cactus keep its girth in a window but every one has different experiences.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: royer]
#7412367 - 09/15/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're right, they would root much faster in the summer - but, I have had good luck getting them to root over winter and ready to go by the first part of the growing season. I just PM'd him the same link, hee-hee. I guess the whole point of my post was that they need to be outdoors in full-sunlight to really thrive. I'd still say get one rooted log and give it a try in the window over winter.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: schmutzen]
#7415054 - 09/15/07 11:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So here is what I am thinking. I am thinking that I am going to go ahead and buy a rooted cacti. If it doesn't work I am only out 16 bucks and then I can start again this coming spring or summer. Bouncing bear has an 8 inch rooted cutting for $16+S/H. That is damn cheap to me. So at least i will get some practice over the winter. What do you guys think of bouncingbear? I have never purchased from them and I don't know the slightest thing about the quality of their products.
So i am thinking of ordering it soon and I will go ahead and get some cacti mix and a pot and get going. what size pot would you guys suggest for an 8" cutting? Are there any kind of stand rules to go by to know when to transfer pots? I will just make sure that my cacti will be sitting by the window all winter. I wish my sliding door was south facing cause then I could keep it away from the glass. I am sort of afraid it might be too cold up on a window sill. but I will figure something out.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7415255 - 09/16/07 01:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok if you get a rooted cutting put it in a pot that is about 6-8 inch for the winter, next summer you can put it in anything you like, but for now try to make it the smaller the better because you dont want unused water rotting your roots/cactus because it is still winter and it will not be using as much.
also a clay pot is good because it takes excess moisture and evaporates it in to the air.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: royer]
#7416073 - 09/16/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sweet thanks for the info. I might order one later today. How deep should the cactus be buried? i really am excited to get some of these going. I have had so much success with mushies so hopefully I can have bunch of success with these too. I would like to get a nice collection going. Thanks guys.
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Re: San Pedro Indoor Grow [Re: kungpow]
#7416075 - 09/16/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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great just remember that cacti are way different than mushies, and read up on the site we posted, you can never read too much
also you will know where to bury them when you gt the rooted cactus is.
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