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Can you make a shroom trip last longer?
    #740406 - 07/11/02 08:45 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Is there any way to make a shroom trip last longer, say, for 10-12 hours? MAOI? Is there any way to extend the peak?

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #740409 - 07/11/02 08:52 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe eat the mushrooms whole without chewing them up...

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #740568 - 07/11/02 11:29 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

Maybe eat the mushrooms whole without chewing them up...





That'll probably only lead to longer time waiting to come up.

Yes MAOI's are an option but not you're only one. If you've got a good supply all you need to do is re-dose. You'll have to know roughly how long it takes to reach peak effects with the strain/batch and then go from there. So if you reach peak 2hrs after ingestion take the second dose 45mins-1hr after the first, remembering to compensate for tolerance.


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium] * 1
    #740631 - 07/12/02 01:55 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

The mushroom experiene last from four to six hours and not more.

Of course you can eat some shrooms a few hours after ingestion but it does not extend the trip, just uses a lot of energy up/.

The trip is how many you eat to begin with, not how many you take after you have eaten the first initial high dose.

ANd they do not get extended with an mao and you cannot extend your peak.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #740924 - 07/12/02 06:27 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Eat a whole bunch while you peak?

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #740947 - 07/12/02 06:37 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

The trip isn't extended by the maoi? Is that right? I thought the maoi slowed how long it took your body to break down the alkaloids? Does it even do anything in your experience? I was thinking about trying harmala seeds but will it even intensify the trip?


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #741015 - 07/12/02 07:18 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I am sure you would like LSD. I sugest eat mushrooms at the end of peak.. Maybe this works...


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #741319 - 07/12/02 09:29 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

yes you can use a MAOI but be careful, you arent taking any other perscription drugs right? go to erowid.org and look up maois first before you try anything.. also try smoking bud when dosing on shrooms, they work so well together...


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    #742243 - 07/12/02 04:05 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: PsilosKube]
    #742682 - 07/12/02 07:23 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Ive tried acid a couple of times. See, the first timed I ever tripped was on this incredible, and I mean INCREDIBLY pure LSD-25 (or maybe it was ALD-52, as the experience matched what Ive read about it). Even the vetern trippers in my group still say its the best acid they've ever had. It was SO clean and SO visual and lasted a full 12 hours and that was on one hit of the liquid. I tried some paper blotter, and it was nice, but didnt even compare to the first time. Didnt even seem like the same drug. Mescaline is awesome but eating SanPedro is difficult, and I think its best saved for 'special occasions'.
Besides, acid in anyform is nearly impossible to find now, anyway. (for me, at least) And I wouldnt want any unless it was as good as what I had before. (you know, once youve been spoiled by an awesome experience...you can never go back)
So, shrooms are usually always great, always pure (now that Ill never have to purchase them again) I was just wondering if there was a way to extend the trip for those times when you do want a longer experience.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #742697 - 07/12/02 07:27 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

pure acid in geltabs beats any blotter and always last the 12hours. if you wanna trip on shrooms for a long time eat 6~7grams... that will get you good. but thats alot for anyone.. so smoke weed some1 mentioned it. it does work good.


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #743965 - 07/13/02 03:35 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Well i know taking another dose doesnt do it for me. The only thing that helps me have a longer trip is to eat a shitload right off the bat and smoke as much weed as i can without making myself all stoned like. MAOI's might work but before you try those just eat a higher dose right off the bat. That should work and you wont be wasting another trips worth by redosing after the peak. One time i got the balls to try eating 10grams dry. Let me tell you i was fucked up for literally hours and didnt sleep until about 12hours after i ingested them. If you do this make sure you have an entire day to recover. I was so tired and sore the next day from the lactic acid build up. Also if you trip that hard make sure you are in the right setting with people you trust. Good luck let us know what works for you.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ReeferMan]
    #744112 - 07/13/02 05:19 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the suggestions, guys! I actually have been doing a bit of reading,and it seems that taking a low dose of AMT shortly after you eat mushrooms will extend the trip as well, I thought that was interesting. Ive never tried AMT though, so I guess thats just another experience waiting to happen, sometime.:) At least its quasi-legal:)

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #744126 - 07/13/02 05:28 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

What is AMT??? Where do you get it?


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #744149 - 07/13/02 05:41 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

AMT is a research chemical, so be careful using that.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Sheepish]
    #744151 - 07/13/02 05:42 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

What is AMT for? Where can you get it? Whats the deal yo?


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: DaxMiddler]
    #744161 - 07/13/02 05:47 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: DaxMiddler]
    #744216 - 07/13/02 06:21 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

a couple of friends of mine tried AMT one night. they were both up for over 16 hours switching from tripping to rolling on and off the entire time. both had terrible comedowns/day after. didn't sound or look too appealing to me.


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: redplainjane]
    #745127 - 07/14/02 08:59 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I guess AMT is regarded as 'psychedelic speed'. Its the indole analog of methamphetamine , which would explain its 'rolling/tripping' description. Ive never tried it, and there are so many varied reports about its effects, that I probably never will. The interesting thing, though, is that AMT also functions as an MAOI (which could explain why some people have horrible experiences...if theyve eated something that they werent supposed to before taking it...) but would also explain why it would work really well in combination with psilocybin.
Still though...when something like morning glories make you feel shitty, you can think to yourself "this stuff has been used by humans for thousands of years, Im gonna be fine..." but when you have some kind of bad reaction on a research chem...you get the idea. Who knows what its doing to you...
Still though, the erowid reports are really interesting.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Sheepish] * 1
    #7450656 - 09/25/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yea eat about 5 grams over 3 hours...keep eating them and the trip seems to go up and down over the hours...


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: John0809]
    #7450665 - 09/25/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Did you not notice that this thread is five years old?

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7450682 - 09/25/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl2:


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: TrippinTeddy]
    #7450701 - 09/25/07 06:52 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7450711 - 09/25/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Did you not notice that this thread is five years old?




Prolly back when AMT was abundantly available. Fuck 5-MeO-AMT lol...


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: SDP]
    #7450755 - 09/25/07 07:35 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thats why I poste...I like bringing 5 year old posts back from the dead...Did you notice this post has to do with making shrooms last longer?


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7451056 - 09/25/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

What...should someone have to start a NEW thread on the same subject if they want to talk about it? That's why we have twelve fucking million "what's the best way to extract LSA" Threads, and so on. I would rather have one or two very long threads on a subject with lots of posts and information than look through 50 different threads to get the whole picture. Just my opinion.


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #7451078 - 09/25/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

And I'm going to have to disagree with Mushroom John.

I,personally, have found that re-dosing the right way does tend to lengthen the experience of shorter-duration psychedelics.

A general rule of thumb with drugs is that the larger the initial dose, the longer the effects.

What I would typically do is take a larger initial dose, then re-dose... the time of the re-dose depending on the type of drug.

With mushrooms, I would probably take 5-7 grams, and then eat another few grams about 1 to 2 hours after the initial dose. This does seem to lengthen the overall experience for me, as well as extend the peak a little.

I have had similar success with MG seeds as well, although I've never tried this with acid, as 10 to 14 hours is the preferred length of my experience anyway.


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #28619313 - 01/13/24 01:31 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

To those who experience anxiety on shrooms...If you take shrooms along with 70mg of pure thh or tetrahydroharmine, not only does it eliminate anxiety, add crystal clear clarity, increased euphoria, but the shroom trip is extended by hours, done it countless times myself, absolutely incredible gorgeous experience. Thh is a psychedelic sri not maoi found in cappi. Damn near perfect psychedelic combo....other than that mescaline is all ready the perfect psychedelic, drank cactus tea over 150 times over many years. I love that it lasts incredibly long allready.

Edited by tregar (01/13/24 01:41 AM)

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium] * 2
    #28619392 - 01/13/24 05:39 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

.daerht dlo raey 61 a s'ti? ecivda eht daer lliw yeht taht knihT

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Nillion]
    #28620445 - 01/14/24 12:27 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

We get it Tregar. THH makes shrooms better for you.

You’ll find that it is a RIMA as well as being an SRI I think.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #28620558 - 01/14/24 06:19 AM (3 months, 8 days ago)

Others have claimed that Tregar is a vendor who sells THH and related materials. I don't know if this is true, but if it was it would explain a lot.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Nillion]
    #28621086 - 01/14/24 01:57 PM (3 months, 8 days ago)

That would make a lot of sense.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Bardy]
    #28625786 - 01/18/24 10:54 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Its kind of odd that no one else seems to have any reports of THH combos, not on erowid or blue light as far as i can tell

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: ZestyMycelium]
    #28625790 - 01/18/24 10:57 AM (3 months, 4 days ago)

I read the post that the man wrote about his wife redosing through out the day. And I tried it.
I dont think it made much of a difference.
I could feel a increase that lasted less than an hour.
For me I need to take it all in the beginning.
It was cool it worked out well for his wife. Was a good post.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: loladoreen]
    #28626001 - 01/18/24 02:38 PM (3 months, 4 days ago)

Yes, you can, and you can also intensify it 10 fold if you combine it with lsd and redose slightly higher amounts every four to six hours

You'll be tripping balls for about twelve hours, then the offset will take four to eight hours, with an afterglow effect that seemingly gradually fades away, but doesn't hinder motor control, and that lasts a while. Great for a complete "reset". I did it once. It felt like a week had gone by. It was such a nice vacation from my usual stuff

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: skOsH]
    #28626768 - 01/19/24 05:58 AM (3 months, 3 days ago)

As written by others with peganum you'll get a much longer experience. I found it much profound, intense and extended.

DO NOT USE MAOI IF YOU ARE UNDER PRESCRIPTION MEDS OR ANY OTHER MEDICATIONS. THIS IS THE BASIC RULE. DEATH IS THE RISK.
DO NOT USE MAOI LIKE HARMALA IF YOU HAVE HIGH PRESSURE DISEASE.

With harmala you will be much more satisfied at the end in my opinion with more benefic sensation. Remember it will push you in the outer space, be ready. If things go wrong you can't come back.

Duration will be 6 hours of intense feelings, 3 hours of comedown still pretty intense and other 3 hours returning at baseline. Be aware that you need at least 10-12 hours to fall asleep. Earlier is impossible.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Freedom]
    #28627258 - 01/19/24 01:37 PM (3 months, 3 days ago)

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Its kind of odd that no one else seems to have any reports of THH combos, not on erowid or blue light as far as i can tell



It's popular enough if you go and read on dmtnexus. Used with DMT orally though rather than shrooms, but it's very much a thing.


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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Northerner]
    #28628553 - 01/20/24 12:59 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

Nillion, I'm not a vendor nor ever been, you might be thinking of 69ron, I am not 69ron. Lifelong chemist and researcher. Anyways, I cracked the code on how to make THH at home in only 1.5 hour, no exotic chemicals needed like in TIHKAL, more on this below.

To those who experience anxiety on shrooms...If you take shrooms along with 70mg of pure thh or tetrahydroharmine, not only does it eliminate anxiety, add crystal clear clarity, increased euphoria, but the shroom trip is extended by an hour +, done it countless times myself, absolutely incredible gorgeous experience. Thh is a psychedelic sri not maoi found in cappi. Damn near perfect psychedelic combo....other than that mescaline is all ready the perfect psychedelic, drank cactus tea over 150 times over many years. I love that it lasts incredibly long allready.

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We get it Tregar. THH makes shrooms better for you. You’ll find that it is a RIMA as well as being an SRI I think.


I'm a life long chemist, and know my chemistry, THH is 100% SRI and not a RIMA at all. Harmine is a RIMA, so is harmaline. THH is the 2nd highest alkaloid in caapi, in same family as ibogaine with a 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours.

Be careful if you buy THH from china (liftmode) as there have been reports of it not staining blue under UV (like real THH) but green, indicating harmaline is still in it.  Dab a cue tip in vinegar, then take up a bit of your THH, smear on a paper plate, hold under uv light, if it glows blue you got pure thh, if any yellow or green it's contaminated with harmaline.

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Its kind of odd that no one else seems to have any reports of THH combos, not on erowid or blue light as far as i can tell



Freedom, You will find no reports of THH + mushrooms or THH + LSD cause this is brand new cutting edge, but I've been doing it for many years, gorgeous experience, it's like taking a low dose of mescaline with you shrooms or acid.

THH or tetrahydroharmine is the best kept secret in the psychedlic world:

THH and how to make her (along with many trip reports of 300mg THH by itself):

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/fpart/1/vc/1

More of my research (10 topics), on the cutting edge, and why dmt should always be taken with thh as found in true Ayahuasca:

https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

2 minute formed HPBCD DMT liquid very bioavailable sublingually under tongue & outperforms DMT salts orally by many factors in personal trials, combo with tetrahydroharmine, Ayahuasca.

Part 0: 12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks (this post #1 in middle)
Part 1: HPBCD complexed DMT experimental dosage, effects & duration, over 44 sublingual DMT experiences over a year's time (this post #1 at bottom). Many times stronger than oral DMT. Updated 1-1-2022.
Part 2: Receptorome chart & explanation
Part 3: Tetrahydroharmine (THH) effects
--> Part 4: Tetrahydroharmine receptorome similarities to mescaline; potentiates cactus & safety note
Part 5: Chemist Patrick Arnold's HPBCD prohormones & bloodwork studies
part 6: Dr. Narang: "with sublingual" or "under the tongue" better than buccal, gingival & palatal, absorption of drugs through the sublingual route is 3 to 10 times greater than oral route and is surpassed by hypodermic injection.
part 7: a little bit on my 70 Ayahuasca experiences, doses & visions
part 8: New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water
part 9: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman
part 10: One way to make pure tetrahydroharmine
part 11: From the archives of DMT world: How to easily extract 2.3g DMT from 170g bark using a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask
part 12: Out of print writings on the Divine Plant of the Incas, coca leaf visions...and writings on strong euphoria from coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, forming orally active cocaethylene in the liver, discovered in 1994. Explains the popularity of Vin Mariani (coca leaf soaked wine) with both popes, Thomas Edison and countless celebrities.
part 13: THH + mushrooms report from JKW.
part 14: Multiple encounters with death & depression.

Northerner said:
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It's popular enough if you go and read on dmtnexus. Used with DMT orally though rather than shrooms, but it's very much a thing.


Thank you Northerner. I've been taking dmt with THH for many, many years, here is a compilation of my 50 + trip reports with many pics of the 150mg harmine + 70-300mg THH + 90mg dmt true Ayahuasca capsules:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/fpart/all

Edited by tregar (01/20/24 01:35 PM)

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: tregar]
    #28628903 - 01/20/24 05:23 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

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DMT-nexus says: Like other harmala alkaloids it is a RIMA reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase A. However, unlike harmine and harmaline, THH also inhibits reuptake of serotonin.




https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Tetrahydroharmine
Are you claiming these folks are wrong?

Also this:
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Harmine and harmaline accumulated in dry seeds at 4.3% and 5.6% (w/w), respectively, harmalol at 0.6%, and tetrahydroharmine at 0.1% (w/w)




https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20036304/

So contrary to what you claim, THH is found in Syrian Rue, but in smaller amounts than Caapi.

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Re: Can you make a shroom trip last longer? [Re: Bardy]
    #28629276 - 01/20/24 10:16 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

There may be some confusion surrounding THH for people. From my understanding, the form of THH found in the B. Caapi vine is purely a Serotonin reuptake inhibitor and ime it certainly feels that way, it doesn't have or at least isn't supposed to have MAOI properties, which that comes from the Harmine and Harmaline. However with that said, it's also been claimed that some synthetically-created THH (like say, Liftmode's THH) is racemic, meaning it has two isomers of THH, one of which is the natural form existing in B. Caapi, and the other isomer is apparently an entirely synthetic one that also additionally seems to have MAOI properties. There was also a case years and years back over at the DMT Nexus where a vendor called "flowing visions" iirc was selling supposed THH that was either determined to be just Harmine, or was THH contaminated with Harmine, explaining supposed MAOI properties by that 69ron character, iirc.

So from my understanding, natural THH from say B. Caapi or maybe if there were any noticeable amounts in certain batches of Rue (which ime Rue doesn't really seem to contain much if any THH, at least ime/from what i can feel/tell, although Rue from certain environments/regions or even different strains of Rue may contain higher amounts of THH because i swear i've had a few batches of Rue in my day that felt higher in THH, whereas most of the Rue i've had doesn't feel particularly Serotonergic in the SRI sense) would be purely an SRI probably with some other properties as well but no MAOI properties, whereas if one takes some THH and it orally activates DMT for example, that could be a good indication that the THH is contaminated with Harmine or Harmaline, or that it's a racemic mixture containing both the natural and synthetic isomers of THH (ie Liftmode, iirc).

I'm not all too informed on THH but at least that's what i've read about it.


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    #28629284 - 01/20/24 10:39 PM (3 months, 2 days ago)

Is that why people suggest taking Syrian rue with shrooms?

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    #28629324 - 01/21/24 12:15 AM (3 months, 2 days ago)

--> To those who experience anxiety on shrooms...If you take shrooms along with 70mg of pure thh or tetrahydroharmine, not only does it eliminate anxiety, add crystal clear clarity, increased euphoria, but the shroom trip is extended by an hour +, done it countless times myself, absolutely incredible gorgeous experience. Thh is a psychedelic sri not maoi found in cappi. Damn near perfect psychedelic combo....other than that mescaline is all ready the perfect psychedelic, drank cactus tea over 150 times over many years. I love that it lasts incredibly long allready.

Sabnock said:
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There may be some confusion surrounding THH for people. From my understanding, the form of THH found in the B. Caapi vine is purely a Serotonin reuptake inhibitor and ime it certainly feels that way, it doesn't have or at least isn't supposed to have MAOI properties, which that comes from the Harmine and Harmaline.


Sabnock is a legend, read countless posts from him and he is indeed correct.

Bardy said:
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DMT-nexus says: Like other harmala alkaloids it is a RIMA reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase A. However, unlike harmine and harmaline, THH also inhibits reuptake of serotonin.
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Tetrahydroharmine
Are you claiming these folks are wrong?


Yes, that information is incredibly vague or unclear. The sentence is very vague in that it does not tell you it would take a severe overdose of THH to inhibit MAO-A.

From Interprise chemical:
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THH is a fluorescent indole alkaloid extracted from B. caapi that inhibits MAO-A and MAO-B with much weaker potency (IC50s = 74 nM and >100 μM, respectively) compared to its companion harmala alkaloids: harmaline (IC50s = 2.5 nM and 25 μM, respectively) and harmine (IC50s = 2 nM and 20 μM, respectively)


https://interpriseusa.com/product/tetrahydro-harmine-10-mg/

Keep in mind, the lower the nM, the higher or stronger the activity. Reading those numbers, you would have to take 30 times the normal dosage of 100mg THH, or 30 x 100 = 3,000mg THH just to equal rima activity of 100mg of harmaline, and it takes at least 100mg of harmaline to activate DMT. That much THH would be an overdose and most likely kill a person. My max is 300mg of THH.

It takes around 150mg of harmine to activate DMT, that would require 5500 mg of THH to do the same.

--> If you remember 69ron, I was not around when he used to post, as I was at the mescaline king forum thenook.org for at least a decade (now extinct) he claimed that THH alone would activate DMT, this is completely un-true, this earned him or her a very bad reputation as people found out after his writing of this, that no such thing was possible.

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So contrary to what you claim, THH is found in Syrian Rue, but in smaller amounts than Caapi.


When you compare 4.3% harmine and 5.6% harmaline to 0.1% THH, you end up with next to nothing in the seeds as THH.

There is absolutely no significant amount of THH in rue seeds, period...but you can make THH from harmaline in 1.5 hour. Even as a chemist, I spent months trying to make THH from harmaline without using exotic chemicals like TIHKAL, after months of failure, I went into a trance and was given a vision of how to complete the process I was stuck at using an over the counter chemical and explain how to make it simply in link below, I wanted humanity to know how to do this, as I feel it is extremely important.

Hallucinogenic Plants in the Mediterranean Countries, Ioannis D. Passos, Maria Mironidou-Tzouveleki, in Neuropathology of Drug Addictions and Substance Misuse, 2016:
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The content of dried seeds of the plant in harmine is about 4.3% w/w, 5.6% in harmaline, 0.6% in harmalol, and 0.1% in tetrahydroharmine.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/tetrahydroharmine

Older Caapi is becoming close to extinct as harvesters have to go further and deeper into the Jungle...hence the over hundred spiritual centers in South America are having to harvest younger cappi with much less tetrahydroharmine, here in link below is an alternative to help conserve while it grows over many years:

Traditional true Ayahuasca has always been (1) Caapi by itself or (2) Caapi with psychotria viridis or Diplopterys cabrerana.

12 reasons THH rocks and how to make her here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/fpart/all

Nillion, I'm not a vendor nor ever been, you might be thinking of 69ron, I am not 69ron. Lifelong chemist and researcher. Anyways, I cracked the code on how to make THH at home in only 1.5 hour, no exotic chemicals needed like in TIHKAL, more on this below.

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We get it Tregar. THH makes shrooms better for you. You’ll find that it is a RIMA as well as being an SRI I think.


I'm a life long chemist, and know my chemistry, THH is 100% SRI and not a significant RIMA at all. Harmine is a RIMA, so is harmaline. THH is the 2nd highest alkaloid in caapi, in same family as ibogaine with a 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours.

Be careful if you buy THH from china (liftmode) as there have been reports of it not staining blue under UV (like real THH) but green, indicating harmaline is still in it.  Dab a cue tip in vinegar, then take up a bit of your THH, smear on a paper plate, hold under uv light, if it glows blue you got pure thh, if any yellow or green it's contaminated with harmaline.

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Its kind of odd that no one else seems to have any reports of THH combos, not on erowid or blue light as far as i can tell



Freedom, You will find no reports of THH + mushrooms or THH + LSD cause this is brand new cutting edge, but I've been doing it for many years, gorgeous experience, it's like taking a low dose of mescaline with you shrooms or acid.

THH or tetrahydroharmine is the best kept secret in the psychedlic world:

THH and how to make her (along with many trip reports of 300mg THH by itself):

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/fpart/1/vc/1

More of my research (10 topics), on the cutting edge, and why dmt should always be taken with thh as found in true Ayahuasca:

https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

2 minute formed HPBCD DMT liquid very bioavailable sublingually under tongue & outperforms DMT salts orally by many factors in personal trials, combo with tetrahydroharmine, Ayahuasca.

Part 0: 12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks (this post #1 in middle)
Part 1: HPBCD complexed DMT experimental dosage, effects & duration, over 44 sublingual DMT experiences over a year's time (this post #1 at bottom). Many times stronger than oral DMT. Updated 1-1-2022.
Part 2: Receptorome chart & explanation
Part 3: Tetrahydroharmine (THH) effects
--> Part 4: Tetrahydroharmine receptorome similarities to mescaline; potentiates cactus & safety note
Part 5: Chemist Patrick Arnold's HPBCD prohormones & bloodwork studies
part 6: Dr. Narang: "with sublingual" or "under the tongue" better than buccal, gingival & palatal, absorption of drugs through the sublingual route is 3 to 10 times greater than oral route and is surpassed by hypodermic injection.
part 7: a little bit on my 70 Ayahuasca experiences, doses & visions
part 8: New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water
part 9: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman
part 10: One way to make pure tetrahydroharmine
part 11: From the archives of DMT world: How to easily extract 2.3g DMT from 170g bark using a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask
part 12: Out of print writings on the Divine Plant of the Incas, coca leaf visions...and writings on strong euphoria from coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, forming orally active cocaethylene in the liver, discovered in 1994. Explains the popularity of Vin Mariani (coca leaf soaked wine) with both popes, Thomas Edison and countless celebrities.
part 13: THH + mushrooms report from JKW.
part 14: Multiple encounters with death & depression.

Northerner said:
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It's popular enough if you go and read on dmtnexus. Used with DMT orally though rather than shrooms, but it's very much a thing.


Thank you Northerner. I've been taking dmt with THH for many, many years, here is a compilation of my 50 + trip reports with many pics of the 150mg harmine + 70-300mg THH + 90mg dmt true Ayahuasca capsules:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/fpart/all

Since harmine has a half life of from 1 to 3 hours, I redose at the 1.5 hour to 2 hour point using only 75mg harmine + 90mg dmt in a single capsule again for a +4 moderately strong experience, as 1/2 the harmine dose is still active from the first dose. You don't have to add anymore THH since THH has a half life of 10.5 hours, peaking at around 5 hours. You can re dose as many times as you want, continues to work strongly.

This gives me a total 4 hour strong trip that is easy to handle, with hours of afterglow. Going beyond 120mg DMT is not recommended, see my trip reports on page 2. I recommend crushing the dmt freebase into fresh aloe vera gel from fresh leaf (*almart carries fresh leaf in grocery section or buy on line, store excess gel in freezer as it only lasts 1 week in fridge, defrost more when needed) only as the polysaccharides in the fresh leaf increase the penetration of the dmt into the intestines by many factors, for an experience that can easily reach +4 to +5 and is all encompassing and super colorful just like real Jungle Ayahuasca, I've noticed no difference in strength between these zero nausea Ayahuasca capsules and real Ayahuasca brew I've prepared from caapi and Hawaiian psychotria.

THH + mushrooms report from JKW:
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Tregar, just wanted to let you know that I finally tried 3 grams of cubensis with 180 mg of THH, and all I can say is WOW! Intense and beautiful like I've never had before, with a definite DMT edge to it.

I've always been a hard-head, needing 4.5+ grams to get anywhere interesting. I've done up to 9 grams, and never got near this intensity.

Just wanted to thank you for the tip. This is the way for me to go form now on.
I look forward to combining THH with DMT.

All the best, and take care.




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