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Iraqis Give Their Own Report- U.S. Should Go.
#7402435 - 09/12/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070911/OPINION01/709110361/1036
Does what they have to say on the matter, matter?
What say you?
Here it is if you don't like to click on links-
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Yepsen: Iraqi people give their own report - U.S. should go By DAVID YEPSEN REGISTER POLITICAL COLUMNIST
September 11, 2007 8 Comments
A new poll released Monday shows that despite any successes from a troop surge, a plurality of Iraqis want the United States to get out of their country - and a growing majority finds attacks on U.S. forces acceptable.
Such findings are a whole lot more compelling than anything Gen. David Petraeus is reporting. We can debate the future of Iraq all we want, but it's not our country. It's theirs.
Despite their troubles, a growing number of them wants us to leave.
About all Petraeus' report to Congress seems to be doing is reinforcing the biases people already had about the war. Everyone is picking and choosing.
You don't hear a lot of Democrats saying, "Darn. I was wrong. The surge is working, and we've got to finish the job." And you don't hear a lot of Republicans saying, "We've got to get everybody out now."
That's why the Iraq poll, done by ABC News/BBC/NHK is a whole lot more persuasive in giving the United States a sense of direction. The poll involved face-to-face interviews with 2,212 randomly selected Iraqis Aug. 17 to 24, and the bottom line is we're not wanted there anymore.
It shows Iraqis disapprove of the American military, the surge and their own government and future. More than three-fourths of them say the U.S. presence has made no difference in the security situation or has made it worse.
The networks find little good news to report, including "deepening dissatisfaction with conditions in Iraq, lower ratings for the national government and growing rejection of the U.S. role there."
- "Six in 10 Iraqis say the security situation has worsened since the surge began. Only one in 10 sees improvement."
- "The big picture remains bleak. Six in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going badly, and even more, 78 percent say things are going badly for the country overall - up 13 points from last winter."
- "More than six in 10 now call the U.S.-led invasion of their country wrong, up from 52 percent last winter. Fifty-seven percent call violence against U.S. forces acceptable, up six points. And despite the uncertainties of what might follow, 47 percent now favor the immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq - a 12-point rise."
According to the National Journal's "Polltrack" analysis of the report, "despite their belief that things are not improving in their country, nearly half stated that coalition troops should leave the country now, rather than wait for the situation to stabilize. Only 15 percent expressed confidence in the U.S. and U.K. occupation forces, while about 20 percent blamed the U.S. military for the enduring violence in their country.
"Indicating a growing sense of hopelessness among the Iraqi people, 77 percent said that they expect things in the country to be the same or worse one year from now, up 17 points from a similar survey conducted in March."
"Only 23 percent of Iraqis report effective reconstruction efforts in their local area - down by 10 points in the past six months."
The numbers are sobering. Regardless of what we Americans think, the Iraqis have had enough. Regardless of what may happen to them when we're gone, they want us out. Regardless of our sacrifice, they don't seem to appreciate it anymore.
The poll undercuts the argument the surge is doing some good. To generals gathering data, it may be improving, but to Iraqis living on the ground, it's not.
For whatever good we did, for whatever sacrifice our military people have made, we're just not welcome there.
Those who argue we should never surrender or that we should stay the course need to explain how it is the people we're supposed to be helping don't really see it that way anymore.
DAVID YEPSEN can be reached at dyepsen@dmreg.com or (515) 284-8545.
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Re: Iraqis Give Their Own Report- U.S. Should Go. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7402915 - 09/12/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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>Does what they have to say on the matter, matter?
I'd say so.
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Re: Iraqis Give Their Own Report- U.S. Should Go. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7404032 - 09/13/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd say it matters if they selected more than 2,000 Iraqis to poll. American occupation of their country is obviously going to be a topic that a lot of Iraqis will have a say on, and if we were interested in finding out precisely what they thought, in order to utilize it to determine whether or not we should continue investing billions of dollars and lives into being in that country, I'd think it would be pertinent to actually find out what a great amount of Iraqis think.
Who is to know how "random" their selection was, after all?
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Re: Iraqis Give Their Own Report- U.S. Should Go. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7404452 - 09/13/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit said: Does what they have to say on the matter, matter?
Of Course it does!
If we are promoting Democracy in Iraq then what the civilians want is the bottom line!
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Re: Iraqis Give Their Own Report- U.S. Should Go. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#7407400 - 09/14/07 01:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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no matter the situation, an occupying force is never popular. This doesn't really do anything other than reaffirm what history has already taught us.
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Re: Iraqis Give Their Own Report- U.S. Should Go. [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
#7409712 - 09/14/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We're lucky the Iraqis haven't started rebelling and murdering Americans and Westerns wholesale which is bound to start happening soon.
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