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OfflineBrAiN
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All this talk about guns has renewed my interest...
    #7402359 - 09/12/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: BrAiN]
    #7402386 - 09/12/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I meant SHOOTING ranges.. not driving ranges.

oops.

Been going to the driving range too much lately as a matter on fact.. managed to hit my first 200 yarder the other day.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: BrAiN]
    #7402432 - 09/12/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, look around and you can probably find gun safety courses. Those would be a good start


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #7403720 - 09/13/07 03:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> Are there driving ranges out there who will take in someone like me

Yep. Call up the closest shooting range and tell them that you have never touched a gun, but want to learn how to shoot. If they don't offer classes, they will be able to recommend somebody in your area to teach you.

However, learning to shoot isn't enough. If you are serious, and are going to have a weapon, then you have to spend time practicing. An hour once a month is all it takes, but without the practice the risk of hurting yourself (or another) by accident isn't worth the risk.

If you go with a wire or girlfriend, don't be surprised when she is a much better shot than you. I don't know why, but in general, woman are more accurate when it comes to shooting.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: BrAiN]
    #7404025 - 09/13/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

BrAiN said:
I meant SHOOTING ranges.. not driving ranges.

oops.

Been going to the driving range too much lately as a matter on fact.. managed to hit my first 200 yarder the other day.




Sounds like someone's a little upset with some of those folks down at the country club. :hehehe:


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7411996 - 09/15/07 03:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

DC is real close to NRA headquarters. they offer classes pretty much like what you're talking about.. go to their site and poke around a bit, you'll find what I'm talking about.


Alexandria, VA is where they're at. There's a kickass firearms museum there. Free admission to boot.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7426416 - 09/18/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Get a shotgun, 12 gauge, 00 buck shot. You don't need to be a good shot or know how to shoot a gun. Point it in the general direction of the thing you want to die, hold on tight, and pull the trigger. Walmart $200. If you get a handgun and feel like doing a little practice shooting I recommend a Glock. Excellent gun and reasonably priced. $450-$600 depending where you buy it.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: allreadyused]
    #7427473 - 09/19/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I knew someone in high school. Brilliant kid, 32 ACT, went to Georgetown. Was beaten to death several years ago, I think 2004. The incident was reported at home and prompted me to investigate DC gun laws. It seems to me that the only guns in DC are illegal (including those owned by otherwise law abiding citizens). But its a widely speculated that your congresscritters operate above this law.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7428358 - 09/19/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I had a similar experience.. a buddy of mine was beaten to death in high school by a group of other guys... and it wasn't even HIm that the mob was looking for... his BROTHER uttered a racist slur to some chick.. she told her black buddy... he riled his buddies up... and they just beat the fuck out of the dude's brother for no reason.

anywho.. off topic... but yea... hanguns in DC are NOT legal. The handgun ban you're speaking of actually expired just a few months ago. The new mayor, who I like, is actually trying to renew it, which pissed me the fuck off. How can you ban handguns when it's written in PLAIN FUCKING english in the bill of rights that we have the right to bear arms?

Maybe the mayor, Adrian Fenti, is just being to literal and allowing citizens to keep those dangling things attached to our torso's by our shoulders.

But yea.. we had this debate in another topic.. Guns were illegal in DC all through the 90's and guess what.. DC was the most deadly city in America throughout the 90's.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: BrAiN]
    #7429007 - 09/19/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How can you ban handguns when it's written in PLAIN FUCKING english in the bill of rights that we have the right to bear arms?

some extremely stupid/dishonest people believe that the word "people" in the second amendment does not refer it to a right of citizens which is not to be infringed on by the government (as they agree it does every other time it appears in the bill of rights), but the right of the government not to be infringed upon by... the government. bizarre, i know...


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: wilshire]
    #7429081 - 09/19/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200703/NAT20070312c.html

"An appeals court decision overturning the District of Columbia's extensive gun ban continued to draw strong reaction on Monday, with one group calling the ruling "'judicial activism' at its absolute worst" "

"Judicual Activism".. I know.. I hate it when the judges get all active about upholding the constitution.

Later in the article:

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, six D.C. residents brought the suit against the city arguing that the gun ban, which in practice prohibited the possession of a functioning firearm, violated their Second Amendment right to "keep and bear arms."

A district court dismissed the claim, ruling that the Second Amendment did not apply to individual citizens, but the Court of Appeals on Friday reversed the lower court's decision, ruling that the Second Amendment does apply to individual citizens.

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WTF??!?!?! If the bill of rights doesn't apply to citizens... the wording is technically:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

It DOESNT say that a militia has the right to bear arms.. it says the PEOPLE have the right to bear arms BECAUSE a well regulated militia is neccessary. Judges need to get the fucking wipe off their glasses and retake ENGLISH 101

Even if this right was reserved for a Militia.. shouldn't a handgun be legal for a citizen in DC as LONG AS that citizen is a member of a militia?


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: BrAiN]
    #7429138 - 09/19/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The way I read it (and I am no lawyer) is that the federal government doesn't have the right to regulate arms; the decision is left up to the states to decide. One state may decide that only a militia, such as the national guard, may bear arms, while another state may decide that anybody can bear arms.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: Seuss]
    #7429485 - 09/19/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

before the enactment of the 14th amendment, that was true, but the 14th amendment binds states to recognize the same rights put forth in the bill of rights.

neither a state or federal law may impinge on the bill of rights.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: BrAiN]
    #7429533 - 09/19/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Even if this right was reserved for a Militia.. shouldn't a handgun be legal for a citizen in DC as LONG AS that citizen is a member of a militia?

1. the second amendment does not say you have to be a member of the militia for it to apply to you.

2. you are probably legally considered to be part of "the militia" anyway. militia defined by US law:

"§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


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Re: All this talk about guns has renewed my interest... [Re: wilshire]
    #7429922 - 09/19/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Even if this right was reserved for a Militia.. shouldn't a handgun be legal for a citizen in DC as LONG AS that citizen is a member of a militia?

1. the second amendment does not say you have to be a member of the militia for it to apply to you.

2. you are probably legally considered to be part of "the militia" anyway. militia defined by US law:

"§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.




I totally agree with number 1. I'm just saying that the argument that judges originally used to uphold a handgun ban in DC is that the wording of the second amendment didn't mean that ordinary citizens could have guns, only members of a well regulated militia.

And I'm just saying, hypothetically, that even if you're a judge that warps the amendment to say that... and if you belived the militia had to be some sort of organized group of people... you still have consider the fact that you would STILL have to make handguns legal at LEAST to people who joined some sort of official militia...


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