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Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment
#7399541 - 09/12/07 05:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296505,00.html
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DEVELOPING STORY: Russian news agencies cite the Kremlin as saying that President Vladimir Putin dissolved the government Wednesday.
Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov asked the Kremlin to dissolve his government, Russian news agencies reported, with less than three months remaining before parliamentary elections.
Fradkov made the decision based on "the approaching major political events in the country and a desire to give the president full freedom in making decisions, including personnel," Fradkov was quoted by ITAR-Tass as saying. A Kremlin spokesman could not immediately comment on the report.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: kotik]
#7399596 - 09/12/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In announcing the dissolution, Putin said "indeed the country is now approaching parliamentary elections, which will lead to presidential election. You may be right that we all must think about how to build the power structure so that it better corresponds to the pre-election period and prepares the country for the time after the parliamentary elections and after presidential elections."
Earlier, Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov said he made the decision to request the government's dissolution based on "the approaching major political events in the country and a desire to give the president full freedom in making decisions, including personnel."
The shakeup comes ahead of crucial parliamentary elections scheduled for Dec. 2, followed some three months later by presidential elections.
The dissolution is expected to result in a new head of government, who will be seen as Putin's choice to succeed him after he steps down next spring.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: Seuss]
#7399954 - 09/12/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, what does it all mean? What are the ramifications of this?
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: fireworks_god]
#7400009 - 09/12/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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from further research, it appears as though this is "common" and nothing out of the ordinary?
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: fireworks_god]
#7400111 - 09/12/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> So, what does it all mean?
I think it means that it will be easier for Putin to ensure that a "Putin Friendly" government is elected. I'm not well versed on Russian law, so I don't really know...
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: fireworks_god]
#7400305 - 09/12/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: So, what does it all mean? What are the ramifications of this?
It means that there is no political freedom in Russia, they have two major elections coming up that will affect how the government is structured, and the present dictator erhmm..leader, Putin, is basically going to be able to choose whomever he wants to succeed him... what's the point of having the elections then? Try to figure out the ramifications for yourself.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: chodamunky]
#7400330 - 09/12/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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there was a really good article about "Putin's Russia" in a recent Economist.
it discussed the resurgence of the old kgb crowd in the current government and how they are driving the country, presumably back in a direction the rest of us would prefer they not.
Russia and China will unite to subvert their western enemies.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: chodamunky]
#7400567 - 09/12/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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But..but.. Bush said he looked into Putin's soul and saw he is a good man! God gave him the gift to see into men's souls along with the ability to heal..
Putin is a dangerous man and word on the street is he is also a murderer and a pedophile.
Russia bears watching. Bears watching. Heh. Oil and gas revenues have reversed Russia's fortunes and she is becoming more powerful and aggressive. Putin has them resuming their long-range strategic bomber flights *, claiming the oil under the Arctic sea and using oil and gas as a weapon.
"A new offensive in the European gas war loomed last night after Russia vowed to press ahead with a threat to cut off gas supplies to neighbouring Belarus on New Year's Day leaving the country of 10 million in the cold and European supplies in peril.
The dispute is reminiscent of a similar row between Russia and Ukraine last year that saw Gazprom, Russia's state-controlled energy giant, turn off the taps for several days causing supply shortfalls in western and eastern Europe."
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2110323.ece
Resource wars. Get ready for your future..
* "Russia will immediately resume long-range strategic bomber flights on a "permanent" basis, ending a 15-year suspension of the missions, President Vladimir Putin has said.
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Russia and China will unite to subvert their western enemies.
Mr Putin's comments came as he and his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao, attended an unprecedented show of joint military force amid fears that the Russian leader is trying to turn an increasingly powerful central Asian alliance into a second Warsaw Pact."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/17/wputin217.xml
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Goverernment [Re: kotik]
#7400662 - 09/12/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Putin names surprise nominee for PM
MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin dismissed his long-serving prime minister Wednesday and nominated little-known Cabinet official Victor Zubkov to replace him in a surprise move that could put Zubkov in the running to replace Putin next year. The nomination of Zubkov, who currently oversees the government's fight against money-laundering, appeared to have caught much of the Russian political elite off-guard.
Putin had been expected to announce in December whom he would back to run for president next year — and Russia's two first deputy prime ministers — former Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov and gas giant Gazprom board chairman Dmitry Medvedev — were widely considered to be the leading contenders.
After dismissing Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov — triggering the government's automatic dissolution — Putin explained the shakeup was required to "prepare the country" for forthcoming elections. Legislative elections are to be held Dec. 2, and presidential elections are expected three months later.
More here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070912/ap_on_re_eu/russia_government_9;_ylt=AmqDJnesP7coFC4gHcEdEc0E1vAI
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: zorbman]
#7401776 - 09/12/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have any of you been to Russia...lives, visited. Do any of you know any one currently living in Russia, heard anything from someone living in Russia? How many of you know something about Russia other than what you have read in English from an American source? I'm not going to take any guesses. But I will give you a chance to hear me out. As someone who has lived half their life in Russia, frequently visits Russia, and has family and friends there I would say I have an idea of how many Russia citizens feel about Putin. He has changed and changing the country around in a positive way. Russia was in a giant collapse after the communist union fell apart in the 80's. It was time of great tragedy and chaos, that chaos fallowed until the mid 90's, one could say that there is a great part of it still remaining. However, now the country has been introduced with capitalism and in a way it is tearing the country apart. The elderly don't know what to do with it and the younger generation see it as a prime time to establish something for themselves, which is true. Because of this radical wave of capitalism the country has lost focus, spirit, and pride. You walk around long enough and you see how the people have changed, everyone is trying to find something that;s theirs and theirs alone. It's a sad picture. Russian people are proud people... smart people. 10 years ago it seemed like everyone was working together and now that's falling apart. Putin is returning those spirits, returning the pride and showing the Russian people what Russia could be. Russia will still be in economic downfall for a long time and a good amount of time will pass before Russia regains her full strength.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: newmodel]
#7401844 - 09/12/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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newmodel said: Have any of you been to Russia...lives, visited. Do any of you know any one currently living in Russia, heard anything from someone living in Russia? How many of you know something about Russia other than what you have read in English from an American source?
Of course they don't actually know anything about Russia, that's more than evident in their Russia = no political freedom / Putin = dangerous statements. They've only digested what's been shoved down their throats by shoddy disinformational US media.
Thanks for posting, being someone who'd actually have a clue. All the "watch out for Putin" sentiments that pop up here are a chore to bear.
Putin is one of the few good leaders in this world, and the country that has the worst leader and which is one of the world's biggest threats, simply because of its stupidity and self-righteousness, is once again unsuprisingly too stupid to open its eyes and see what's what. Us citizens convincing each other here that Putin = dangerous is as stupid as Nazis convincing each other that the Jews are the evil ones. Apparently self-examination is not a skill they possess.
And just to be redundant I'll repost what I said in the other Putin dissolves government thread. Putin became President in the same manner. There has been talk of who Putin would nominate to succeed him for ages. His nominee still has to be voted on.
But holy shit, even though this is nothing new or special, just like everything the shitty US news outlets report about Russia, EVERYONE GET WORKED THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW AND FEARMONGER ABOUT THE IMAGINARY PUTIN THREAT!
Edited by Disco Cat (09/12/07 06:55 PM)
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: newmodel]
#7401881 - 09/12/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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newmodel said: Have any of you been to Russia...lives, visited. Do any of you know any one currently living in Russia, heard anything from someone living in Russia? How many of you know something about Russia other than what you have read in English from an American source?
never been there personally, but I have MANY friends (not just online friends, either) from all over Russia, and the consensus is that the government is just as corrupt there as here. It's not easy for us to compare, because when my friends talk to me about particular events, I'm completely ignorant. The only thing we can ever discuss and both have an understanding is 9/11.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: Disco Cat]
#7401928 - 09/12/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: Of course they don't actually know anything about Russia, that's more than evident in their Russia = no political freedom / Putin = dangerous statements. They've only digested what's been shoved down their throats by shoddy disinformational US media.
holy shit, even though this is nothing new or special, just like everything the shitty US news outlets report about Russia, EVERYONE GET WORKED THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW AND FEARMONGER ABOUT THE IMAGINARY PUTIN THREAT!
since I am the one that started this thread, I'd just like to point out, i never made a single assumption. In fact, all I ever did was post the news stories verbatim, and added question marks.
seriously, all i added were question marks.
I didn't take your comments personally, but it did seem as though they could have been targeted at me, there was at least a 40% chance of it.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: kotik]
#7402004 - 09/12/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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never been there personally, but I have MANY friends (not just online friends, either) from all over Russia, and the consensus is that the government is just as corrupt there as here. It's not easy for us to compare, because when my friends talk to me about particular events, I'm completely ignorant. The only thing we can ever discuss and both have an understanding is 9/11.
Thanks for the honest and mature reply.
I was not saying that the government did not have kinks...of course it does, every government does. However, Putin I would agree Putin is a good leader and is slowly fixing things.
On another note, you can find corruption many places the most common is probably the cops. Did something wrong...no problem as long as you have $$$. The rules and regulations are not strict and enforced enough that the police or anyone else would actually feel afraid, and the pay is not good enough that someone whole-heartedly wants to do a banging, 100%, A work. Basically, wages are very low and people need money so instead of enforcing rules it's easier to strike a deal, everyone's happy.
And on another note, someone should start a pole about 9/11 cause that is a heated topic or should be at least not enough people asked questions about what happened and why did we actually go to war. Historians say that when historians of the future will be looking back to now they will have an incredibly hard time finding the documents and reasons to why we actually went to war.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: kotik]
#7402021 - 09/12/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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since I am the one that started this thread, I'd just like to point out, i never made a single assumption. In fact, all I ever did was post the news stories verbatim, and added question marks.
seriously, all i added were question marks.
I didn't take your comments personally, but it did seem as though they could have been targeted at me, there was at least a 40% chance of it.
And all I did was post a couple of news stories and point out that Russia is a competitor of the United States and yes, that makes them dangerous. I didn't say Putin was evil although I have my doubts as I cannot see into men's souls as Bush can.
Much of the Russian success story stems from the fact that oil revenues have skyrocketed in the last few years. Virtually any oil-rich country would be swimming in cash right now and whoever happened to hold office at that time would be very popular indeed.
It would be nice if people could have a discussion without becoming hysterical in here.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: kotik]
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I didn't mean you for posting the article. I meant those (basically always a US'er) who habitually like to play pretend that there's a threat to world peace growing in Russia as if their plate isn't already full of shit from their own country. They're basically resolute on shutting out and discrediting the source of positivity that has been Putin and distrust him because they're trained to, blind to what he actually does.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: zorbman]
#7402053 - 09/12/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Russia is only a competitor in the eyes of the US, who think that there has to be one person on top and who want to irrantionally be that one person. Essentially and inferiority complex. Putin hasn't played that game and has wisely been a promoter of nations sticking thier noses out of each others internal affairs.
Being a competitor doesn't make someone dangerous. Veiwing someone as a competitor and dangerous to oneself simply because they are another presence makes someone, a nation, very dangerous to all.
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: Disco Cat]
#7402285 - 09/12/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Russia is only a competitor in the eyes of the US, who think that there has to be one person on top and who want to irrantionally be that one person.
I agree with the last part of that sentence. Global hegemony is something the neocons have been pursuing ever since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Hegemony in the long run is not good for the US or the world.
However, I am not naive enough to believe that other countries would not like to have that power as well. They are no better or worse than us. For now, the US is the sole remaining superpower and other countries must combine their power to yes, compete. Russia is a competitor and must be watched like any other competitor.
And when you are a competitor who waged a proxy war with the US for decades you draw special attention. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
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Putin hasn't played that game and has wisely been a promoter of nations sticking thier noses out of each others internal affairs.
Oh really? Putin hasn't interfered in the internal affairs of countries like Ukraine and Belarus?
Is it neighborly to shut off an entire country's natural gas supply during winter?
Putin hasn't played the hegemony game because he would lose. He, like most people, is neither a god nor a devil. He would love to have more influence in the world but for now he must cozy up to China to get on a par with us.
One other thing. Don't assume that just because someone happens to disagree with Putin or Russia that they are anti-Russian or ignorant of Russian history. I have read a decent amount of Russian history and while I am hardly an expert I do respect the Russian people and their history.
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Edited by zorbman (09/13/07 07:08 AM)
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: zorbman]
#7402311 - 09/12/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Russian President Vladimir Putin Has Dissolved the Government [Re: BrAiN]
#7402426 - 09/12/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ohhhhhh snap.
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