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US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan.
    #7396966 - 09/11/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone seen it. sweet another war!!!! maybe now they will actually let me serve. I am just kidding. I don't want war.

it seems we all knew it would happen, it is another matter entirely to hear of actual events that are precipitory in nature.

Well the dogs of war grow restless in their kennels when the master grows restless in his office.

I hope this doesn't set wheels in motion that could possibly ignite the hot seething pile of humanity that inhabits this terrific ol Earth.

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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7397288 - 09/11/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i seriously hope they dont bomb iran. if they do, itll be the start of world war 3. iran is nothing like iraq and they are very capable of defending themselves, they also have many allies. the world is sick of our american conquests. not to mention our military is stretched thin as it is.

if we drop a single bomb on iran, all hell is going to break loose. i give it less than 6 months after we attack them, that we will be at war with russia, china and north korea as well..... at the very least. what the hell do we have? britain and canada. :rolleyes:


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397312 - 09/11/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i had the same thoughts about starting WW3 but didn't want to sound alarmist in nature. Not to mention America would probably be the only country left standing when it was over. Our production capabilities, money lubbing tendencies all point towards a long, terrible war, but one inwhich we will survive.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7397316 - 09/11/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a permanent link to the story -- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: Phred]
    #7397326 - 09/11/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanks, I guess :shrug:


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7397413 - 09/11/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i had the same thoughts about starting WW3 but didn't want to sound alarmist in nature. Not to mention America would probably be the only country left standing when it was over. Our production capabilities, money lubbing tendencies all point towards a long, terrible war, but one inwhich we will survive.




you think? youre forgetting, were not the manufacturing giant we were in ww2. most of our shit is outsourced..... from CHINA. our production capabilities are all in other countries, and our money is worthless if the world economy comes to a standstill, most of our money is credit. also, we are still incredibly dependent on petroleum, which will be cut off, as most of it comes from the middle east. most people dont take into account that anything we import from asia and the middle east, will come to a halt. americans will survive, but i seriously doubt our government could survive a world war with 3 other super powers, two of which have nukes, much of our governmental structure will crumble from prolonged isolation, especially in the event of domestic war. i have a feeling ww3 will not only be fought on foreign lands.

if china is involved(more than likely, they are on good terms with iran), we will be up against an incredible force. their military is strong, their economy is strong, and they have far more people to draft than us. i dont know if any of you have heard of this, but i read this last week in the newspaper:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2007/09/05/forced-military-training-chinese-children-softened-camp-usa-toda

war with china alone would be devastating. not even counting the others.

so i guess this leads to another question. since our military is spread so thin as it is, how many people do you think will stand up against another draft? i for one will not go to war.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7397414 - 09/11/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What the hell has Iran done to provoke a war? Not a goddamn thing has been said about that. Or does this administration have to manufacture a fake incident before dropping bombs on Tehran?


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #7397444 - 09/11/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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What the hell has Iran done to provoke a war? Not a goddamn thing has been said about that. Or does this administration have to manufacture a fake incident before dropping bombs on Tehran?




they DARED to try and create technology that many of us have. didnt you know, only a few of us are allowed to have nuclear technology. the rest will be bombed if they try. well except india and pakistan.

well seeing as how successful the last fake reasoning for war worked, theyll probably do that again. seeing as how noone was taken accountable for the lies.

and if the bush administration starts war before theyre out of office, then itll have to continue even after they are gone.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397453 - 09/11/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

we weren't a manufacturing giant before ww2, it is because of ww2 that we became the manufacturing giant.


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    #7397457 - 09/11/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

another thought i just had. which wouldnt make me too upset. if we bomb iran, ill bet you they take that opportunity to destroy israel. i mean why not right, their ONLY ally is already attacking them.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7397466 - 09/11/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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we weren't a manufacturing giant before ww2, it is because of ww2 that we became the manufacturing giant.




we were still up there on the list. we still manufactured most of our own things.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #7397470 - 09/11/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I hope they don't, although that could be what Bush is looking for before the 2008 election. They either really want to keep office and cancel the elections or they really want to dick over the next person in office.

Although I believe that they are pursuing a nuclear program (as they are not afraid to admit it), but I really do believe that they are looking to use it for nuclear power. Maybe they are more forward thinking than we give them credit for. Maybe they want to get away from carbon based fuels and try to power their country with something clean. Who are we to say what they are up to? We are no better ourselves.

At the same time, if they do create bombs, is there a threat of one being used? Maybe, however I doubt their leaders really want to be blown off the face of the earth. Although they might support jihad, it may be more to garner the support of followers than anything else. If not, then why aren't they leading by example and "martyring" themselves rather than just talking about it. I really think that if they want nuclear bombs, it is to keep us from attacking them. I believe that unless another country hit us with a bomb, we are very unlikely to go to war with another country who has nukes, just out of the possibility of some nut case pushing the button. These people aren't stupid. They saw the 50+ year standoff between the US and the USSR.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397473 - 09/11/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

WW3 would most certainly be fought on foreing lands. We habe been building fortresses all across the world to prevent the very notion you are suggesting. hell we have a wall of army/navy/air force/ bases between us and the East, Mideast if they wanted to travel west across europe and then on the other side is the ocean. Need i remind you of the seriousness and capability of our Navy.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397474 - 09/11/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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What the hell has Iran done to provoke a war? Not a goddamn thing has been said about that. Or does this administration have to manufacture a fake incident before dropping bombs on Tehran?




they DARED to try and create technology that many of us have. didnt you know, only a few of us are allowed to have nuclear technology. the rest will be bombed if they try. well except india and pakistan.





Man I would not feel safe with Iran having a nuclear weapon. Seeing as they hate US. Id have a feeling that bomb would be sent this way.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7397487 - 09/11/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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WW3 would most certainly be fought on foreing lands. We habe been building fortresses all across the world to prevent the very notion you are suggesting. hell we have a wall of army/navy/air force/ bases between us and the East, Mideast if they wanted to travel west across europe and then on the other side is the ocean. Need i remind you of the seriousness and capability of our Navy.




depending on who is involved against us, this may be true. but if china and russia join forces with iran, you can forget about the idea that our homeland is untouchable. they are the two largest world powers below us, and it wouldnt surprise me if china has already surpassed our might. there is no way we could handle a full on war with china and russia without using nukes, and in that case, there goes the world.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397504 - 09/11/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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What the hell has Iran done to provoke a war? Not a goddamn thing has been said about that. Or does this administration have to manufacture a fake incident before dropping bombs on Tehran?




they DARED to try and create technology that many of us have. didnt you know, only a few of us are allowed to have nuclear technology. the rest will be bombed if they try. well except india and pakistan.





Man I would not feel safe with Iran having a nuclear weapon. Seeing as they hate US. Id have a feeling that bomb would be sent this way.




israel has more to worry about than us. i dont know why everyone worries about iran having nuclear weapons, as stated a couple posts up, theyre not stupid, they know that if they nuke us, they will be flattened to the ground. they dont want that. neither do we. nuclear war is something that NOONE wants. china didnt bomb us. india and pakistan havent bombed us, russia had several chances to bomb us.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397505 - 09/11/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone talks about China, wha the fuck about? Sure it is a huge army, but can you imagine the logisitcs nightmare that would accompany the moving of their army across the Pacific. And for the love of god why would russia wanna team up with china? maybe I am out of touch but I dint know they were bedfellows.


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    #7397508 - 09/11/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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And for the love of god why would russia wanna team up with china? maybe I am out of touch but I dint know they were bedfellows.




I dont know but i could see them having a relation like USA and Canada.


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    #7397546 - 09/11/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think you may be a little out of touch. they are friends. and in the past few years they have been having quite a few joint military practice runs.

think about it. russia still hates us, even if they pretend not to. china has always hated the west, and their generals have been on record saying that they know war with us in the future is inevitable. they are a mighty country who is expanding at a phenominal rate. they also do not play by the same rules as us, they wouldnt have a problem putting their country and people into full military mode. you saw what our country was able to do in war mode for ww2, well china has over 1 billion more people than our country.

the logistics for their military would be no more difficult than ours.

and even if china and russia were not bedfellows, they would have a common goal. destroy the current world power. or at least immobilize it, dismantle its government and enslave its population.

we couldnt win vietnam, we cant handle iraq, what makes you think we could handle any one of these three?


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397556 - 09/11/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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And for the love of god why would russia wanna team up with china? maybe I am out of touch but I dint know they were bedfellows.




I dont know but i could see them having a relation like USA and Canada.




exactly, not necessarily good friends, but not enemies.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397595 - 09/11/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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we couldnt win vietnam, we cant handle iraq, what makes you think we could handle any one of these three?




Cant(Not having the ability to) isnt really the right word because we can. I mean if we wanted to im sure we could take iraq off the map. Kinda like we did japan.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397632 - 09/11/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol.... i guess... thats not really my definition of "handle" that would fit more in the lines of "extermination".

and the only reason we got away with the murder of 300K + japanese is because we were the first ones to create and use the nuke. if we ever use a nuke again it will be the end of the world.


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    #7397667 - 09/11/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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lol.... i guess... thats not really my definition of "handle" that would fit more in the lines of "extermination".

and the only reason we got away with the murder of 300K + japanese is because we were the first ones to create and use the nuke. if we ever use a nuke again it will be the end of the world.




The atom bombs we dropped on japan are different than nuclears im pretty sure.
If so then I dont think if we used an abomb it would be that bad, now nuclear... I can see that being the end.

Atleast thats what I always thought I hear after dropping a nuclear the land cant be used for like 50 years.


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    #7397720 - 09/11/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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lol.... i guess... thats not really my definition of "handle" that would fit more in the lines of "extermination".

and the only reason we got away with the murder of 300K + japanese is because we were the first ones to create and use the nuke. if we ever use a nuke again it will be the end of the world.




The atom bombs we dropped on japan are different than nuclears im pretty sure.
If so then I dont think if we used an abomb it would be that bad, now nuclear... I can see that being the end.

Atleast thats what I always thought I hear after dropping a nuclear the land cant be used for like 50 years.




atomic and nuclear mean the same thing. and it doesnt matter if we used the lesser of two evils, either way it would spark nuclear war. hence, why i said it would be the end.

i think it may be longer than that. i know an area is fucked for quite a while.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397756 - 09/11/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, the bomb we dropped on the japs wasnt one of the bombs that makes the land unusable (Atleast I dont think)... I wonder if we have another type of bomb we can say we are the first to use now :dielaughing:


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    #7397806 - 09/11/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea, the bomb we dropped on the japs wasnt one of the bombs that makes the land unusable (Atleast I dont think)... I wonder if we have another type of bomb we can say we are the first to use now :dielaughing:




lmao... yes it was. there are still high levels of radiation where we dropped the bombs.


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    #7397830 - 09/11/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea, the bomb we dropped on the japs wasnt one of the bombs that makes the land unusable (Atleast I dont think)... I wonder if we have another type of bomb we can say we are the first to use now :dielaughing:




lmao... yes it was. there are still high levels of radiation where we dropped the bombs.




Hmmm, I thought if it was one of those, they wouldnt have been able to live on that island? Maybe the bombs arent as bad as i thought.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397870 - 09/11/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no they are. you can live there. but i wouldnt grow anything in the ground. im pretty sure they import all of their food into those areas. you can live in radiation, but you can probably expect some health related issues in the future. im pretty sure some people still live in the contamination zone at chernobyl. you just have to be very careful of what you eat, and how you prepare it.

also the japs eat alot of seaweed which has loads of iodine in it, which inhibits your glands from soaking up radiation. not to mention all of the tea they drink and the healthy food they eat. if americans lived where bombs were dropped, they would all die of cancer relatively quickly.


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    #7397930 - 09/11/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont know why everyone worries about iran having nuclear weapons, as stated a couple posts up, theyre not stupid, they know that if they nuke us, they will be flattened to the ground.




This is an indication that people assume Iran's government works the way we are used to in the west. This is far from true. There are multiple fractions within Iran that all operate fairly independently from one another. It only takes one nut that thinks Allah will protect them from any retaliation. It only takes one nut to sneak a nuclear weapon, or even just a nuclear capsule, to a group that will use it. Who is to say it was from Iran rather than North Korea, Pakistan, India, Russia, or China (among other states)?

There is actually another issue with respect to enriched uranium that I have never heard anybody mention. Naval vessels use highly enriched U235 in their nuclear reactors (due to size, weight, and moderator constraints). Iran has a fairly active Navy which would be much more difficult to isolate were they nuclear powered.


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    #7397948 - 09/11/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont know why everyone worries about iran having nuclear weapons, as stated a couple posts up, theyre not stupid, they know that if they nuke us, they will be flattened to the ground.




This is an indication that people assume Iran's government works the way we are used to in the west. This is far from true. There are multiple fractions within Iran that all operate fairly independently from one another. It only takes one nut that thinks Allah will protect them from any retaliation. It only takes one nut to sneak a nuclear weapon, or even just a nuclear capsule, to a group that will use it. Who is to say it was from Iran rather than North Korea, Pakistan, India, Russia, or China (among other states)?

There is actually another issue with respect to enriched uranium that I have never heard anybody mention. Naval vessels use highly enriched U235 in their nuclear reactors (due to size, weight, and moderator constraints). Iran has a fairly active Navy which would be much more difficult to isolate were they nuclear powered.





Brilliant Stategic point.

I wonder just what role points like that play in the decision making process?


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    #7397963 - 09/11/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

im still not that concerned. zionist israel would be nuked first, and then iran wouldnt exist.

i personally would rather this option, it wouldnt result in a world war, as the destruction of iran would be justified. the option our government wants to take would not be justified in the eyes of the world and would leave reason for all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us.

hmmmmmm iran and israel gone or worldwide nuclear cataclysm...... i like the first option better.


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    #7397998 - 09/11/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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im still not that concerned. zionist israel would be nuked first, and then iran wouldnt exist.

i personally would rather this option, it wouldnt result in a world war, as the destruction of iran would be justified. the option our government wants to take would not be justified in the eyes of the world and would leave reason for all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us.

hmmmmmm iran and israel gone or worldwide nuclear cataclysm...... i like the first option better.




How can we make iran and isreal gone without all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us. Esp if we nuked em.


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    #7398017 - 09/11/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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im still not that concerned. zionist israel would be nuked first, and then iran wouldnt exist.

i personally would rather this option, it wouldnt result in a world war, as the destruction of iran would be justified. the option our government wants to take would not be justified in the eyes of the world and would leave reason for all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us.

hmmmmmm iran and israel gone or worldwide nuclear cataclysm...... i like the first option better.




How can we make iran and isreal gone without all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us. Esp if we nuked em.




if iran were to nuke israel that would give us and the other UN nations justification to retaliate. if we just up and pre-emptively strike them, then we are the aggressors and not iran. seeing as how the world all knows that there was no real reason for us to invade iraq, they wouldnt take too kindly to another attack.


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    #7398037 - 09/11/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It isn't going to happen. :shrug:


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    #7398134 - 09/11/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that whole thing about congress or whatever?


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    #7398261 - 09/11/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There is too much pressure from all sources. What you have here is a report of some hawks within the administration feeling that diplomacy is not working, and they must subsequently attack. No surprise there, but it is the responsibility of those above them to decide whether or not it is actually a path to follow. It isn't just going to happen. Bush isn't going to just say "Fuck you all, we're dropping these bombs".


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    #7398286 - 09/11/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well Inwill wait til the follow up report, cause the lnaguage in this peice is pretty clear about some thmigs, namely the fact that they are discussing active measures against iran.



Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.

Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.


so in less this is blatant bull shit by a "high level" official then I think they may be really discussing it. actualization is quite a horse of a different color. So we will see what the morrow may bring, and the near future for that.


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    #7398295 - 09/11/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"if iran were to nuke israel that would give us and the other UN nations justification to retaliate."

I have this feeling if iran gets a nuke they wouldnt waste it on isreal. I think they see the U.S as more of a threat.


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    #7398308 - 09/11/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be shocked to find that an anonymous source contributing to the rumor mill wouldn't have an agenda in overexaggerating his point of view. :lol:


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    #7398342 - 09/11/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I know. we will wait and see. It could be all bullshit. I really don't give a fuck anymore. The news is so fucked of an institution anymore.

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    #7398433 - 09/11/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This will not be a smart move. We cannot fight a land war in Iran. I think it will be nearly impossible to win without bombing the shit out of everyone and everything. Iran has the most trained fighters in the world. Even more then China. This will not fly well...


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    #7398724 - 09/11/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Surely you are thinking of the distinction between plain old fissile bombs and the mighty thermonuclear weapons which followed.

Personally I find them to be equally frightening but I can take some solace in the fact that a nuclear weapon will more likely be used in a strategic fashion.


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    #7398800 - 09/11/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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    #7398806 - 09/11/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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NEVER START A LAND WAR IN ASIA!


Maybe thats why they are planing a bombing instead of invasion.


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    #7399087 - 09/12/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If China or Russia woke up one morning and decided to take out our communication, and GPS satellites, we would be completely shut down in our capacity to wage any sort of "conventional" war in about 5 minutes.

All we'd have left is the nukes, and our bibles.


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    #7399158 - 09/12/07 12:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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If China or Russia woke up one morning and decided to take out our communication, and GPS satellites, we would be completely shut down in our capacity to wage any sort of "conventional" war in about 5 minutes.



That goes both ways of course.

The truth is neither USA, China or Russia could successfully invade any of each other.  The best any one could do, even without nukes, is just kill as many of the enemy as possible, and of course face equal retaliation.  This is not in any of the big three's current best interests at all.  The notion that taking out any ones satellites leaves the homeland wide open is ridiculous.
 
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All we'd have left is the nukes, and our bibles.


and your cache of weapons you buried in the mountains.... hopefully  :sniper:


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    #7399192 - 09/12/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The objective of either China or Russia would not be to invade our homeland, after all, we have the nukes.

It would be to halt our reign of terror in the world. Then there would still be mutually assured destruction because of the nukes, and we would have to just accept it and live peacefully with our surroundings.

And on our current course, Russia or China might consider it worth a shot. Remember when Bush couldn't open the Chinese door?



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    #7399213 - 09/12/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You do realize that they have communication satellites and nukes too, dont you? Its a multi directional struggle, not them trying to liberate the world from us.

edit- why am i even responding to this insanity? OP posts about US bombing Iran, and the topic goes to China and Russia taking out US satellites?

About Iran, I dont think we will do it. My opinion, I could go either way.


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    #7399234 - 09/12/07 12:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

They knock out our capacity for our god-like advanced technologically enhanced ability to fight war "conventionally", against other countries whose conventional weaponry and defense systems do not compare nor stand a chance, the whole world wins.

We go back to "You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone", (Al Queda's idea, and used to be our idea), instead of our brand new "We'll kill you before you might kill us" ideology of paranoia and world domination (Bush/Illuminatti) idea.

Neither China nor Russia will allow Bush to finish his plan, unless the plan exists worldwide for the world to end.


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our god-like advanced technologically


:lol: god-like...




Well? We push a few buttons, send out some GPS coordinates, and in 2 minutes thousands of 1LB Depleted Uranium "bullets" are shredding tanks like rice paper.

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:lol: god-like...




Well? We push a few buttons, send out some GPS coordinates, and in 2 minutes thousands of 1LB Depleted Uranium "bullets" are shredding tanks like rice paper.

Not god-like?


No, not god-like.  And they (Russia, China, among others) have similar capabilities.  Dont even need the satellites.


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    #7399274 - 09/12/07 01:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

By the way, my bet is that we use those Depleted Uranium shells on the Iran facilities. It's environmentally friendly, because radiation is present there anyhow.

And we've finally figured out what to do with the waste products of our own nuclear facilities! We'll just spread it all around on the ground, but on the other side of the globe! It's a win-win!


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    #7399277 - 09/12/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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[And they (Russia, China, among others) have similar capabilities. Dont even need the satellites.




But they use theirs wisely. (Not at all) And are you kidding me? We don't need the satellites?

That's like saying you can walk into a Safeway to buy a cart full of stuff, and convince a cashier to look up each item's price, and then ring up each item's price by hand on the register, and not use the bar codes.

Our fighting machine has been similarly automated. Remove the satellites and our war systems will be chalk to the brim with errors and useless.


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    #7399506 - 09/12/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i seriously hope they dont bomb iran. if they do, itll be the start of world war 3. iran is nothing like iraq and they are very capable of defending themselves, they also have many allies. the world is sick of our american conquests. not to mention our military is stretched thin as it is.

if we drop a single bomb on iran, all hell is going to break loose. i give it less than 6 months after we attack them, that we will be at war with russia, china and north korea as well..... at the very least. what the hell do we have? britain and canada. :rolleyes:






pfffft pfffft and more pfffft

nuking iran could stop ww3 too,its just another point of view

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    #7399886 - 09/12/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Russia is Iran's ally. Russia recently installed Russian anti aircraft gunnery for Iran in Iran.

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    #7400145 - 09/12/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you really think it would be easy to take out thousands of orbiting satellites so quickly that we wouldn't have time to retaliate?


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    #7400255 - 09/12/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

they will just need to take out the fox satellite :smile:


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    #7403530 - 09/13/07 01:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia is Iran's ally. Russia recently installed Russian anti aircraft gunnery for Iran in Iran.

We bomb Iran, we are basically attacking Russia.




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    #7404503 - 09/13/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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"if iran were to nuke israel that would give us and the other UN nations justification to retaliate."

I have this feeling if iran gets a nuke they wouldnt waste it on isreal. I think they see the U.S as more of a threat.




they have already stated that if they had the chance they would wipe israel from the map. i think they would use it on israel, one nuke wont cripple the US, however it could take out a good portion of israel. now this is just assumption, but if i were a crazy iranian head of state, i wouldnt want to waste it on the us, because once they do, they know there is a hellstorm of nukes headed their way. launching a nuke at anyone in this day and age is a death sentence, so if youre going to die you might as well take out the country you can inflict more damage on. im pretty sure they hate israel more than the US. we are a close second though.


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    #7404510 - 09/13/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd be shocked to find that an anonymous source contributing to the rumor mill wouldn't have an agenda in overexaggerating his point of view. :lol:




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i seriously hope they dont bomb iran. if they do, itll be the start of world war 3. iran is nothing like iraq and they are very capable of defending themselves, they also have many allies. the world is sick of our american conquests. not to mention our military is stretched thin as it is.

if we drop a single bomb on iran, all hell is going to break loose. i give it less than 6 months after we attack them, that we will be at war with russia, china and north korea as well..... at the very least. what the hell do we have? britain and canada. :rolleyes:






pfffft pfffft and more pfffft

nuking iran could stop ww3 too,its just another point of view

maybe im right or maybe im wrong but i aint gonna argue with you no more i done it for too long na na na na na na na na




if youre not in the mood to talk, then dont bother responding.

nuking iran could stop ww3........? well if it is a WORLD war, then it wouldnt be just iran we were fighting now would it?

and youve argued with me for too long? who the hell are you? your name isnt even vague to me.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7407012 - 09/13/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

chill out

like i said and have every right to say

nuking iran could stop WW3
so if you have nothing to say but flames dont respond ok?
like your own advice?
sound nice?
good

do you think i think youre as important as you think you are?
i think not

have a nice day ali:)


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: shitfacedme]
    #7409685 - 09/14/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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shitfacedme said:
chill out

like i said and have every right to say

nuking iran could stop WW3
so if you have nothing to say but flames dont respond ok?
like your own advice?
sound nice?
good

do you think i think youre as important as you think you are?
i think not

have a nice day ali:)




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