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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397595 - 09/11/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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we couldnt win vietnam, we cant handle iraq, what makes you think we could handle any one of these three?




Cant(Not having the ability to) isnt really the right word because we can. I mean if we wanted to im sure we could take iraq off the map. Kinda like we did japan.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397632 - 09/11/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol.... i guess... thats not really my definition of "handle" that would fit more in the lines of "extermination".

and the only reason we got away with the murder of 300K + japanese is because we were the first ones to create and use the nuke. if we ever use a nuke again it will be the end of the world.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397667 - 09/11/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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lol.... i guess... thats not really my definition of "handle" that would fit more in the lines of "extermination".

and the only reason we got away with the murder of 300K + japanese is because we were the first ones to create and use the nuke. if we ever use a nuke again it will be the end of the world.




The atom bombs we dropped on japan are different than nuclears im pretty sure.
If so then I dont think if we used an abomb it would be that bad, now nuclear... I can see that being the end.

Atleast thats what I always thought I hear after dropping a nuclear the land cant be used for like 50 years.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397720 - 09/11/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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lol.... i guess... thats not really my definition of "handle" that would fit more in the lines of "extermination".

and the only reason we got away with the murder of 300K + japanese is because we were the first ones to create and use the nuke. if we ever use a nuke again it will be the end of the world.




The atom bombs we dropped on japan are different than nuclears im pretty sure.
If so then I dont think if we used an abomb it would be that bad, now nuclear... I can see that being the end.

Atleast thats what I always thought I hear after dropping a nuclear the land cant be used for like 50 years.




atomic and nuclear mean the same thing. and it doesnt matter if we used the lesser of two evils, either way it would spark nuclear war. hence, why i said it would be the end.

i think it may be longer than that. i know an area is fucked for quite a while.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397756 - 09/11/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, the bomb we dropped on the japs wasnt one of the bombs that makes the land unusable (Atleast I dont think)... I wonder if we have another type of bomb we can say we are the first to use now :dielaughing:


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397806 - 09/11/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea, the bomb we dropped on the japs wasnt one of the bombs that makes the land unusable (Atleast I dont think)... I wonder if we have another type of bomb we can say we are the first to use now :dielaughing:




lmao... yes it was. there are still high levels of radiation where we dropped the bombs.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397830 - 09/11/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea, the bomb we dropped on the japs wasnt one of the bombs that makes the land unusable (Atleast I dont think)... I wonder if we have another type of bomb we can say we are the first to use now :dielaughing:




lmao... yes it was. there are still high levels of radiation where we dropped the bombs.




Hmmm, I thought if it was one of those, they wouldnt have been able to live on that island? Maybe the bombs arent as bad as i thought.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397870 - 09/11/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no they are. you can live there. but i wouldnt grow anything in the ground. im pretty sure they import all of their food into those areas. you can live in radiation, but you can probably expect some health related issues in the future. im pretty sure some people still live in the contamination zone at chernobyl. you just have to be very careful of what you eat, and how you prepare it.

also the japs eat alot of seaweed which has loads of iodine in it, which inhibits your glands from soaking up radiation. not to mention all of the tea they drink and the healthy food they eat. if americans lived where bombs were dropped, they would all die of cancer relatively quickly.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7397930 - 09/11/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont know why everyone worries about iran having nuclear weapons, as stated a couple posts up, theyre not stupid, they know that if they nuke us, they will be flattened to the ground.




This is an indication that people assume Iran's government works the way we are used to in the west. This is far from true. There are multiple fractions within Iran that all operate fairly independently from one another. It only takes one nut that thinks Allah will protect them from any retaliation. It only takes one nut to sneak a nuclear weapon, or even just a nuclear capsule, to a group that will use it. Who is to say it was from Iran rather than North Korea, Pakistan, India, Russia, or China (among other states)?

There is actually another issue with respect to enriched uranium that I have never heard anybody mention. Naval vessels use highly enriched U235 in their nuclear reactors (due to size, weight, and moderator constraints). Iran has a fairly active Navy which would be much more difficult to isolate were they nuclear powered.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: Seuss]
    #7397948 - 09/11/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont know why everyone worries about iran having nuclear weapons, as stated a couple posts up, theyre not stupid, they know that if they nuke us, they will be flattened to the ground.




This is an indication that people assume Iran's government works the way we are used to in the west. This is far from true. There are multiple fractions within Iran that all operate fairly independently from one another. It only takes one nut that thinks Allah will protect them from any retaliation. It only takes one nut to sneak a nuclear weapon, or even just a nuclear capsule, to a group that will use it. Who is to say it was from Iran rather than North Korea, Pakistan, India, Russia, or China (among other states)?

There is actually another issue with respect to enriched uranium that I have never heard anybody mention. Naval vessels use highly enriched U235 in their nuclear reactors (due to size, weight, and moderator constraints). Iran has a fairly active Navy which would be much more difficult to isolate were they nuclear powered.





Brilliant Stategic point.

I wonder just what role points like that play in the decision making process?


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: Seuss]
    #7397963 - 09/11/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

im still not that concerned. zionist israel would be nuked first, and then iran wouldnt exist.

i personally would rather this option, it wouldnt result in a world war, as the destruction of iran would be justified. the option our government wants to take would not be justified in the eyes of the world and would leave reason for all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us.

hmmmmmm iran and israel gone or worldwide nuclear cataclysm...... i like the first option better.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7397998 - 09/11/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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im still not that concerned. zionist israel would be nuked first, and then iran wouldnt exist.

i personally would rather this option, it wouldnt result in a world war, as the destruction of iran would be justified. the option our government wants to take would not be justified in the eyes of the world and would leave reason for all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us.

hmmmmmm iran and israel gone or worldwide nuclear cataclysm...... i like the first option better.




How can we make iran and isreal gone without all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us. Esp if we nuked em.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: sublimistri]
    #7398017 - 09/11/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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im still not that concerned. zionist israel would be nuked first, and then iran wouldnt exist.

i personally would rather this option, it wouldnt result in a world war, as the destruction of iran would be justified. the option our government wants to take would not be justified in the eyes of the world and would leave reason for all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us.

hmmmmmm iran and israel gone or worldwide nuclear cataclysm...... i like the first option better.




How can we make iran and isreal gone without all of the countries who hate us to band together and try to finally destroy us. Esp if we nuked em.




if iran were to nuke israel that would give us and the other UN nations justification to retaliate. if we just up and pre-emptively strike them, then we are the aggressors and not iran. seeing as how the world all knows that there was no real reason for us to invade iraq, they wouldnt take too kindly to another attack.


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    #7398037 - 09/11/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It isn't going to happen. :shrug:


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7398134 - 09/11/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that whole thing about congress or whatever?


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7398261 - 09/11/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There is too much pressure from all sources. What you have here is a report of some hawks within the administration feeling that diplomacy is not working, and they must subsequently attack. No surprise there, but it is the responsibility of those above them to decide whether or not it is actually a path to follow. It isn't just going to happen. Bush isn't going to just say "Fuck you all, we're dropping these bombs".


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7398286 - 09/11/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well Inwill wait til the follow up report, cause the lnaguage in this peice is pretty clear about some thmigs, namely the fact that they are discussing active measures against iran.



Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.

Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.


so in less this is blatant bull shit by a "high level" official then I think they may be really discussing it. actualization is quite a horse of a different color. So we will see what the morrow may bring, and the near future for that.


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7398295 - 09/11/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"if iran were to nuke israel that would give us and the other UN nations justification to retaliate."

I have this feeling if iran gets a nuke they wouldnt waste it on isreal. I think they see the U.S as more of a threat.


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    #7398308 - 09/11/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be shocked to find that an anonymous source contributing to the rumor mill wouldn't have an agenda in overexaggerating his point of view. :lol:


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Re: US officials prepare Iran Bombing plan. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7398342 - 09/11/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I know. we will wait and see. It could be all bullshit. I really don't give a fuck anymore. The news is so fucked of an institution anymore.

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