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    #7396886 - 09/11/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I reckon my plant is now big enough to harvest a few of the leaves.

What I would like to know, is how I go about this? Where should I prune her and which leaves should I prune?

There are a lot of very big leaves (bigger than my hand) that are a really dark healthy green colour.. I've already taken a cutting which seems to be doing ok...

And then once I have pruned some of the leaves what is the recommended way to actually use them? smoke them raw? extract them? quids? I did google for some of this information.. but I'd rather have interactive responses that fit my situation :grin:



This is what she looked like a week ago. She is considerable larger now and has a lot more branching on the main stem (I need to take some more pics :grin:)


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7396954 - 09/11/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Just pick of the largest leaves by the stem, they tend to be easilly picked off without hurting the plant.

I like extracts best but it's pretty hard to do when you just have enough for a few trips.
I would just dry them and smoke them as they are.

You might not get a full-fledged lvl5 trip unless you smoke them in a bong and hold it for a while though. I Like all experiences from this plant so I'd just smoke them in a pipe if I where you. It gives a nice lightheadness and a lot of strange thoughts, ideas and sometimes light visual effects.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397015 - 09/11/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've read (probably wannabe shaman hyperbole) that if the leaf is smoked regularly enough its enough to chuck into that weird underverse type place.

I don't necessarily want to trip balls anyways, I just want to experiment.. I've only used 20x before, I would like to try it ala maztecs. Raw leaf it is :smile:

As for drying out, will sunlight do the trick?


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397017 - 09/11/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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And then once I have pruned some of the leaves what is the recommended way to actually use them? smoke them raw? extract them? quids?




I would suggest you dry the leaves...do a quid, hold it until you feel the effects...then with the leaves still in your lip, smoke some more salvia...you should be tripping pretty good...

I never use extracts I always use unaltered leaf and it works great for me using that method...


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7397042 - 09/11/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There is an inverse tolerance with salvinorin: the more often you smoke the harder it hits, I'm sure some people can reach that special place just smoking plain leaf in a pipe. I know I can come pretty damned close.

I don't like drying any active herbs in light(except maybe tobacco if I want to make it weaker) salvinorin is probably rather stable when it's not in suspension but still follow the rule of thumb: dry in a dark place.
You could dry them on low heat in the oven though. Just put them in there on low temp for a while and check on them every 2-5min. They'll dry really fast.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397054 - 09/11/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Just put them in there on low temp for a while and check on them every 2-5min. They'll dry really fast.





Tried that one time...They all burned...But I got one big hit when I opened the oven door...:rofl:

I suggest drying in a closet or other dark place on a drying rack...


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Re: Salvia [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7397085 - 09/11/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've done it several times. It works well as long as one keeps an eye on them.
Now I have much enough not to care about drying speedily.







always keeping a stash of pure salvinorin is k3y.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397093 - 09/11/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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There is an inverse tolerance with salvinorin: the more often you smoke the harder it hits, I'm sure some people can reach that special place just smoking plain leaf in a pipe. I know I can come pretty damned close.

I don't like drying any active herbs in light(except maybe tobacco if I want to make it weaker) salvinorin is probably rather stable when it's not in suspension but still follow the rule of thumb: dry in a dark place.
You could dry them on low heat in the oven though. Just put them in there on low temp for a while and check on them every 2-5min. They'll dry really fast.




Yeah I was aware of the inverse tolerance.. but I was trying to seperate information from misinformation (you know how the interweb forum people are).

Salvinorin A, to me looks like a somewhat stable molecule.. so I might have a go at grilling (as its at lower temps, and easier to control) some leaves on friday night, and taste the fruits of my labours :smile:

Thanks man. :smile:

What advice would you give me for taking cuttings? I took a cutting off of one of the branches from the main stem, took about 6" or so of stem with it. Its been in a glass in water for the last 5 days, and definitely isn't dying.. but the root structure is certainly taking its time to form :shrug:


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397100 - 09/11/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I've done it several times. It works well as long as one keeps an eye on them.
Now I have much enough not to care about drying speedily.







always keeping a stash of pure salvinorin is k3y.




Pure salvinorin a? The active dose range is somewhere between 200-500mcg.. and that doesn't look crystalline either. So I'm guessing thats a relatively low grade extraction you have there :grin:

Else thats enough salvinorin to mess up a lot of people :grin:


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7397102 - 09/11/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

always keeping a stash of pure salvinorin is k3y.:eek:

Jeeze...your crazy...I bet that shoots you off like a rocket...

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What advice would you give me for taking cuttings? I took a cutting off of one of the branches from the main stem, took about 6" or so of stem with it. Its been in a glass in water for the last 5 days, and definitely isn't dying.. but the root structure is certainly taking its time to form




Maybe get some rooting gel to help...


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7397122 - 09/11/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's crystalline no doubt about it. But it wasn't collected trough crystalizing it out from a fluid: It was trough evaporation so I had to scratch it from the evaporation vessel and thereby powdering it.

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Else thats enough salvinorin to mess up a lot of people :grin:



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Re: Salvia [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7397124 - 09/11/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dislike adding nutrients and shit to my plants. They seem to flourish and stay healthy without it.

If I'm growing my own drugs, its organic all the way (apart from the h2o2 on the cobweb on my casings :smirk: - but that decomposes in sunlight so all is good).

Surely there must be a way to stimulate growth that doesn't involve me adding chemicals (like rooting powder) to it?


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397131 - 09/11/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How the hell do you dose it? considering 1/2mg is an invisible amount?


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7397182 - 09/11/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I solve it in acetone and lay it on cigg-paper that I smoke.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397206 - 09/11/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hmm...do you fill the cig paper with cannabis or something? Maybe unaltered salvia leaf?


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Re: Salvia [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7397259 - 09/11/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No I lay it on cigarette rolling papers.
So just a really thin white paper.
Then I cut the paper into 40 pieces and smoke one piece to get a dose of about 500mcg
Going the entire way to pure salvinorin would be nothing but a waste if I where to smoke it with something that produced a lot of smoke.
The idea is to get almost 0 smoke.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7397282 - 09/11/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

O ok I see...that's a really good idea!:thumbup:


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Re: Salvia [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7397332 - 09/11/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's not mine unfortunately.
The tek for this is written by regreenvines and sphere.
I have uploaded it here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/download.php?Number=7377366


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7397377 - 09/11/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I dislike adding nutrients and shit to my plants. They seem to flourish and stay healthy without it.

If I'm growing my own drugs, its organic all the way (apart from the h2o2 on the cobweb on my casings :smirk: - but that decomposes in sunlight so all is good).

Surely there must be a way to stimulate growth that doesn't involve me adding chemicals (like rooting powder) to it?




For an all natural rooting liquid, make tea out of willow branches. Then use this instead of water. The chemical in the willow tree works as a rooting hormone.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Cepheus]
    #7399446 - 09/12/07 04:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Surely there must be a way to stimulate growth that doesn't involve me adding chemicals (like rooting powder) to it?




willow water does work well as a natural rooting hormone (as stated above)
but really u dont need any for salvia... rooting cuttings in plain old water works great :thumbup:


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Re: Salvia [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7399492 - 09/12/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

salvia roots very easy, i have even had some root in the 3-4 days in the mail with wet newspaper, i just put my cuttings in a cup of water and put a humidity dome over it (plastic bag) <- i think this is the most important IMO


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7400874 - 09/12/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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You might not get a full-fledged lvl5 trip unless you smoke them in a bong and hold it for a while though. I Like all experiences from this plant so I'd just smoke them in a pipe if I where you.




also, use a higher power lighter, and dont breath any oxygen between hits, for best results!

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Re: Salvia [Re: Zexter]
    #7400885 - 09/12/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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higher power lighter



Never found this necessary, Not even with plain leaf. Just use the lighter at every hit.


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Re: Salvia [Re: Nalim]
    #7400973 - 09/12/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

higher power lighter



Never found this necessary, Not even with plain leaf. Just use the lighter at every hit.




IMPE ive never broken through with just a normal light. i usually have myself and a friend light it at the same time, and all is good.

good luck :thumbup:


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Re: Salvia [Re: Zexter]
    #7402144 - 09/12/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

anyone have experience vaping salvia?


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