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tonyperez420
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Additives for Coir?
#7396883 - 09/11/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am doing a coir grow and I have read in several posts that blood meal and coffee are good additives for coir.
But how much blood meal should I use for say.. 4 hydrated cups of coir.
Also, how much coffee should I add to say... 4 cups of hydrated coir?
I know nitrogen level should be 3.7% and that is my objective...
thanks for help!
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I looked into blood meal and its 12% nitrogen..seems like a lot..next to it there was some seewead extract .015% I believe,,I think that would be much better..for now im using coffee grounds though 1/2 cup to 2quarts of coir
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Vegan]
#7396963 - 09/11/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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cool...
does it matter what kind of coffee I use?
also, I do not drink coffee... can I use coffee straight out of the bag as opposed to coffee grounds?
thanks
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dysphoria
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i wouldnt use bloodmeal for nitrogen, mainly because of what it is and where its from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodmeal
as such, i find coffee works wonders, and is natural. good sources are coffee shops, namely starbucks...find the busiest one in town, call them up, and ask for 'grounds for my garden'...they all have this program, or will know wtf is up when you say that, and they'll either have some on hand already bagged and ready to go, or will start saving them for you.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: dysphoria]
#7396997 - 09/11/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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nope the coffee has to be leached..as in really hot water poured through it..how about getting a coffee maker from a thrift store I saw about 5 of em at the one near me..5 bucks each
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Vegan]
#7397045 - 09/11/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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the spent coffee from coffee shops is about near neutral in pH. even so, mushroom mycelium actually prefers a slightly acidic pH, close to 5.5 or 6 or so, but so do contaminations.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: dysphoria]
#7398222 - 09/11/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just came back from Dunkin Donuts and I asked for coffee grounds and they looked at me like I was a Martian...
I was real adamant about it and they finally gave it to me reluctantly.... but its a very little amount... not even 4 cups is what they gave me...
I guess I will try starbucks tomorrow..
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tonyperez420
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: impeachme2]
#7398282 - 09/11/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was doing some research on the starbucks site
it seems like some of there "social responsibilities" includes giving out free ground coffee
http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/compost.asp
I guess all companys are trying to seem like they are enviornmentally friendly nowadays with global warming going on and such...
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I use 1/2 cup coffee and 1/4 cup blood meal to 4 cups coir, and it works great.
You can get coffee grounds from starbucks, or from your friends. Lots of people put coffee grounds into garden soil, it's a very normal thing.
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mycocurious
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Quote:
tonyperez420 said: also, I do not drink coffee...
starbucks gives away all the used coffee grounds free. just ask them about their "grounds for gardens" policy.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: mycocurious]
#7399691 - 09/12/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wnt into starbucks expecting that they would give me like a pund or something and they gave me 2 trashbags full. Almost 60 lbs...lol I had to toss some. I had no room for them.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Mycodood]
#7399903 - 09/12/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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do they really need to be leached? i never heard of coffee needed to be spent after makeing a few cups a joe. i've seen teks where they use coffee right out of a the container
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
#7399967 - 09/12/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since brewed coffee is acidic, it seems like the spent grounds will be less acidic than unused dry grounds. Mushrooms like acidic conditions, but so does trich. Neutral-to-slightly-basic pH reduces trich growth. So it's probably not strictly necessary, but likely to be a good idea.
But I haven't done a controlled test. Maybe somebody will do it and post pics.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Mycodood]
#7399972 - 09/12/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mycodood said: I wnt into starbucks expecting that they would give me like a pund or something and they gave me 2 trashbags full. Almost 60 lbs...lol I had to toss some. I had no room for them.
There is one starbucks that is not "out of my way" that I will stop at later today... I feel really hyped up at the moment... I hope suspense lives up to the expectations... 60 lbs of ground coffee?!?! I could find a home for that!
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wutang said: do they really need to be leached? i never heard of coffee needed to be spent after makeing a few cups a joe. i've seen teks where they use coffee right out of a the container
thats a good question.... is there any shroomerite out there that has used coffee straight out of the container successfully? If so, please chime in! Somebody mentioned earlier that it has to be leached...
thanks for the inputs... and I will let everybody know how starbucks goes later!
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BTW I read somebody using 80% coir/ 20% ground coffee with much success... that is going to be the ratio I want to work with...
what does everybody think?
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wutang
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well from what dr. T says about PH levels, interesting. heres a log of a dude that used straight coffee like i mentioned maybe i will have to try both, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=myposts&Number=7268762&page=0&fpart=1
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
#7400029 - 09/12/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomerite member Sillicybin has this pic in his sig
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/07-13/521280660-DSCF1614.jpg
20%coffee grounds /80%coir
looks good to me!
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Yeah I kept 30 lbs of it. Small apartment and they are wet so they need to be dried or frozen or else mold will grow.
I guess you could use fresh but thats a waste of coffee. Fress unless you are getting it for free costs money. Spent does not.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Mycodood]
#7400150 - 09/12/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i guess its just up to you
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
#7400188 - 09/12/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, when you talk to bulk growers you will see that they will use spent over fresh. Keeps cost down. I am a coffee drinker so I would rather use spent.
So If I have a small project going and no grounds, I'll make a pot of coffee, drink some or throw it in the fridge for iced, hydrate coir with it and use or save the grounds.
If your just making a small tin then you could use fresh and the cost is minimal.
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Quote:
tonyperez420 said: BTW I read somebody using 80% coir/ 20% ground coffee with much success... that is going to be the ratio I want to work with...
what does everybody think?
you can use it in whatever ratio you want. I've used it 60:40 coir:ucg (used coffee grounds) rather effectively and RR's has made cakes out of 100% used coffee grounds before - to illustrate a point.
However, as with all things the more diverse the food source, the healthier the mycelium will be because there'll generally be a rich set of micro-nutrients in the food. I make homemade compost for that reason...which I then still cut 50/50 with coir because it helps fluff up the substrate and prevent compaction.
I will note however, that when I'm talking about diverse food sources, I'm not referring to organic/synthetic fertilizers. Mycelium consumes/devours it's food just like humans do and cannot really benefit from liquid nutrient sources. To some extent, blood/bonemeal are the same in this regard.
A good analogy to help explain this concept would be if you were to consider if a human could survive on vitamin pills alone. While all the nutrients are there, we need to "consume" it to be of real benefit.
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: mycocurious]
#7400282 - 09/12/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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coir, coffee, straw, poo spawned to wbs cased with jiffy mix do you think that adding coir to the substrate is a bit unessesary? hows that mixture sound? i dont wanna F up my first poo grow and this is the recipe i plan on useing
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
#7400540 - 09/12/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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the pH of spent coffee grounds (espressed) falls right about 6.5 to 7.0
the sticker that starbucks applies to their bags gives a brief synopsis of all this, including pH levels, and how it can be used (minus our hobby of course).
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: dysphoria]
#7401277 - 09/12/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok so I visited 2 starbucks stores today... this is the synopsis
I called the 2 stores before I went...
One store said they would save it for me and when I got there they had about 15-20 cups of ground coffee waiting for me, which was cool
the other store said I had to come in person I gave them my phone # and they said they would start saving it and call me when its time to come pick it up... 2-4 weeks I am guessing this will be at least 1 full garbage bag full
so there you go... if you are interested... my best advice would be to give your closest starbucks a call...
thanks everybody
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So... it is safe to say that spawning to a coir/coffee ground mix is a good, successfully performed way to do bulk. How do you more experienced cultivators feel about putting this spawned coir into a monotub? Or into invitro bags?
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Seengs]
#7401959 - 09/12/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do I feel about coir+coffee in tubs?
Three thumbs up, that's how!
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Dr_T]
#7402043 - 09/12/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coffee is all Ive ever added but Ive been thinking of adding worm castings next time since I found a good source of them
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Blutjager]
#7402050 - 09/12/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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good source? maybe farming some worms and collecting their shit you never added poo before? just coffee?
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
#7402078 - 09/12/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I could get poo I would use it without even mixing with coir,Ive done poo/straw,never poo and coir,with coir I would use coffee grounds or castings....maybe an experiment and add some of each to boost up the nutes
I don't really like poo and its not easy for me to get,thats why I started using coir in the 1st place,I'm guessing between the coffee and the worm castings the coir wouldn't be all that far away from poo in quality,I usually throw away after 2 or 3 flushes anyway to clear up the real estate for new projects
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Blutjager]
#7402094 - 09/12/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i see, would a mixture of coir/coffee/straw for a substrate work? or is that too much stuff into one substrate? think it would work? it may add more nutes, thus its beneficial for the shrooms your imputes are very helpful
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
#7402330 - 09/12/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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wutang said: i see, would a mixture of coir/coffee/straw for a substrate work? or is that too much stuff into one substrate? think it would work? it may add more nutes, thus its beneficial for the shrooms your imputes are very helpful
I think it should work just fine,in fact I'm guessing with the moisture holding ability of both straw and coir that it would yield some gigantic mushrooms.You may not get all that many flushes but I'm betting the first few will kickass
Edited by Blutjager (09/12/07 09:32 PM)
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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Blutjager]
#7402617 - 09/12/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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thank you sorry i forgot to add poo do that mixture heh
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