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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
    #7400188 - 09/12/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, when you talk to bulk growers you will see that
they will use spent over fresh. Keeps cost down.
I am a coffee drinker so I would rather use spent.

So If I have a small project going and no grounds,
I'll make a pot of coffee, drink some or throw it in the
fridge for iced, hydrate coir with it and use or save the grounds.

If your just making a small tin then you could use fresh and the cost is minimal.


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #7400238 - 09/12/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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tonyperez420 said:
BTW I read somebody using 80% coir/ 20% ground coffee with much success... that is going to be the ratio I want to work with...

what does everybody think?




you can use it in whatever ratio you want. I've used it 60:40 coir:ucg (used coffee grounds) rather effectively and RR's has made cakes out of 100% used coffee grounds before - to illustrate a point.

However, as with all things the more diverse the food source, the healthier the mycelium will be because there'll generally be a rich set of micro-nutrients in the food. I make homemade compost for that reason...which I then still cut 50/50 with coir because it helps fluff up the substrate and prevent compaction.

I will note however, that when I'm talking about diverse food sources, I'm not referring to organic/synthetic fertilizers. Mycelium consumes/devours it's food just like humans do and cannot really benefit from liquid nutrient sources. To some extent, blood/bonemeal are the same in this regard.

A good analogy to help explain this concept would be if you were to consider if a human could survive on vitamin pills alone. While all the nutrients are there, we need to "consume" it to be of real benefit.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7400282 - 09/12/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

coir, coffee, straw, poo spawned to wbs cased with jiffy mix
do you think that adding coir to the substrate is a bit unessesary?
hows that mixture sound? i dont wanna F up my first poo grow and this is the recipe i plan on useing


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
    #7400540 - 09/12/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the pH of spent coffee grounds (espressed) falls right about 6.5 to 7.0

the sticker that starbucks applies to their bags gives a brief synopsis of all this, including pH levels, and how it can be used (minus our hobby of course).


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: dysphoria]
    #7401277 - 09/12/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok so I visited 2 starbucks stores today... this is the synopsis

I called the 2 stores before I went...

One store said they would save it for me and when I got there they had about 15-20 cups of ground coffee waiting for me, which was cool

the other store said I had to come in person
I gave them my phone # and they said they would start saving it and call me when its time to come pick it up... 2-4 weeks
I am guessing this will be at least 1 full garbage bag full

so there you go... if you are interested... my best advice would be to give your closest starbucks a call...

thanks everybody

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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #7401295 - 09/12/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So... it is safe to say that spawning to a coir/coffee ground mix is a good, successfully performed way to do bulk. How do you more experienced cultivators feel about putting this spawned coir into a monotub? Or into invitro bags?


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Seengs]
    #7401959 - 09/12/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How do I feel about  coir+coffee in tubs?


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Three thumbs up, that's how!


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Dr_T]
    #7402043 - 09/12/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Coffee is all Ive ever added but Ive been thinking of adding worm castings next time since I found a good source of them:hehehe:


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Blutjager]
    #7402050 - 09/12/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

good source? maybe farming some worms and collecting their shit
you never added poo before? just coffee?


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
    #7402078 - 09/12/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If I could get poo I would use it without even mixing with coir,Ive done poo/straw,never poo and coir,with coir I would use coffee grounds or castings....maybe an experiment and add some of each to boost up the nutes

I don't really like poo and its not easy for me to get,thats why I started using coir in the 1st place,I'm guessing between the coffee and the worm castings the coir wouldn't be all that far away from poo in quality,I usually throw away after 2 or 3 flushes anyway to clear up the real estate for new projects


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Blutjager]
    #7402094 - 09/12/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i see, would a mixture of coir/coffee/straw for a substrate work?
or is that too much stuff into one substrate?
think it would work? it may add more nutes, thus its beneficial for the shrooms
your imputes are very helpful :quagmire:


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: wutang]
    #7402330 - 09/12/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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wutang said:
i see, would a mixture of coir/coffee/straw for a substrate work?
or is that too much stuff into one substrate?
think it would work? it may add more nutes, thus its beneficial for the shrooms
your imputes are very helpful :quagmire:




I think it should work just fine,in fact I'm guessing with the moisture holding ability of both straw and coir that it would yield some gigantic mushrooms.You may not get all that many flushes but I'm betting the first few will kickass :rockon:


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Re: Additives for Coir? [Re: Blutjager]
    #7402617 - 09/12/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thank you
sorry i forgot to add poo do that mixture :shrug:
heh


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