cheers

My moneys on G... hehe, just because of history .

don`t think B or B+ are what Mr. G told us...
Psilocybe Fanaticus made some interesting research on this....

but who knows....

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Is this the same azure/cub 'hybrid' known as Golden Teacher, B+, PES Hawiaain and a half a dozen other names or is it a new attempt?

Besides the fact that cubensis and azures will not naturally hybridize, I find it highly unlikely that an amatuer figured out a way to force it to happen. And then getting lucky enough to isolate a fruiting strain. It is easier to believe that a hopeful experimenter has just fooled themselves into thinking he/she did it. How about some images of the parent strains/species before "hybridization".

It would be interesting to see the next generation from spores of this "hybrid". A percentage of new multispore isolates should revert back to mostly cubensis and azures. Using simple genetics (which may or may not apply) 25% would revert back to cubensis, 25% to azurescens and 50% as the "hybrid".

Want my opinion?
1st, your banner ad here at the shroomery shows a (I assume cube) with a somewhat wavy cap. Obviously this happens sometimes with cubes.
2, you got burned on this before, or at least that seems to be general consensus regarding the B+.
3, This enormous breakthrough in cultivation isn't going to be stumbled on by somebody that doesn't know what they are doing.
4, If somebody that knew what they were doing accomplished this breakthrough, it would be evident. They would have plenty of research and data to prove it.

If you have in fact been in touch with Mr. G, tell him I would love to chat with him, pass on my e-mail addy if you would. You know that I've been wanting to talk to him ever since he left the shroomery.

They're pretty, but I won't believe it until either personal experience, hard proof (reviewable data), and to a lesser degree general consensus.
peaces

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-From a registered Mad Scientist

"From a certain point of view"
-Jedi Master Obiwan Kenobi (also a Mad Scientist tm)

keep those post coming .. you'll all be laughing with me in a few days.

-peace-

Wait till you try azures.... OH MY !!!
Words can hardly describe the places this mushroom takes you too....

-peace-

I agree it looks like a cube, i think the water availability, light amount, and temp could have made it look like that.

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[This message has been edited by Condi1 (edited October 06, 2000).]

ThE JafF

I have seen similar strains in Oregon in the early 1990's grown from spores from a print collected in Oaxaca.. All of the caps came up spreadout so the cap would eventually, in age, somethinmes split and crack like a flower peddle. And the caps had an unsual umbo , which sometimes wouyld curl up a little like a sombrero.

These are beautiful mushrooms so I am going to cop a few images for my files.

So I conclude with Workman's opinion that they are P. Cubensis and nothing else,a race, if not a strain.

Thanks alot.
mj

[This message has been edited by mjshroomer (edited February 12, 2000).]

This is the B+.
The only real difference is I used a print that was given to me by MR. G a long time ago before he disappeared. His x wife turned him in to the sherriffs, and from I'm told he's on the run. I dont know how much truth there is to that, never know with that guy.

None the less, when all this shit was going down with his wife, he sent me prints of everything he had, several of each, and said they were all "full bandwidth" of genes from each of these spore races/strains. That they would all show the best qualities and characteristics of these strains. And that he normally doesn't give these out, for personal research reasons.

So anyway... I decided to break some of these prints out and see if they grew any differently. So I experimented with the B+ and mexi-cub. As you can see, the B+ did grow very differently this time around. Giveing a similiar appearance to an azure/cub hyrbrid, perhaps this had something to do with why Mr. G was so convinced they were hybrids yet none of us seen it. I personally alwasy thought the B+ acted mostly like a cubensis, but also that of caramel cap species since it does grow so well in the cold temps and will colonize and fruit on wood very well.
None the less, the B+ by far one of the most adaptable mushrooms to many growing conditions out there in my opinion, fruits very easily as well, and is a very nice clean potent high.

As for the mexi-cub experiment. Once again, he wasn't bull shitting, these wide bandwidth spores produced some beautiful large mexi cubs, with that lovely yellowish, spotted cap I've seen so many times with the mexi cub.
In the past, the few times I grew out the mexi-cubs, they always produced a lot of little mushrooms, with large caps for such a small stem. They also had a nice yellowish color cap with lots of dots on it, and they flushed fast and continuously.

Well.. this time around the grew some mush larger stemps with large caps again, same beautiful yellowish spotted cap, and once again flush fast and continuously. The last patch produced 7 flushes for me in 8 weeks before i pulled them to make room for a new patch of mexi cubs. The 6th and 7th flush were alsmost as good as the first flush.
I probably should have let them keep going to see how many flushes I would get from them, but need to to birth some more.

What I found interesting the next time is this second patch of mexi cubs produced some nice large stemmed cap mushrooms again, but this time there more orange/golden color with the spots. I've always seen the mexi cubs to be a unique yellowish color that I had not seen from other cubensis.

This patch of B+ just started flushing again, it will be interesting to see if they produce broadly umbonate caps again.

So in closling... azure/hybrid... I just dont think there is such a thing, or if there is I'm sure Stamets will report on it in his next book.

-peace-

[This message has been edited by Condi1 (edited October 06, 2000).]